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D3 Regional Rankings and Bracketology

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Fishman'81 said:
Saw those games and Buff State impressed me. Not much of a talent gap between those two squads.

So the East can send 6 teams? It seems to me that UC would deserve a look if they go into Elmira and pull off the upset this weekend...

From previous posts I seem to gather that the process relies on a version of the PWR? Or it just as obscure as the D-3 men's deal?
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The East will max out at 5. A WIAC team is all but assured a Pool B, and the MIAC and NCHA champions will receive Pool A's. From there they're almost certainly sorting between the 3 losing teams I listed before for 2 Pool C's.
 
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Bracket integrity is really screwed this week. Elmira and Adrian should be a Final Four matchup, not a QF game! A much more minor change is that Middlebury should be matched up with Amherst, but since they are both NESCAC teams, a change needed to be made there as well. Basically, if we ranked the teams 1-8 (which seems pretty straight forward with these eight teams) and the favorites win their conference tourneys:

#5 Middlebury @ #1 Plattsburgh
#3 Elmira @ #2 Adrian
#6 Norwich @ #4 Amherst
#8 St. Thomas @ #7 River Falls

(I ranked Norwich #6 by virtue of a .603 to .548 SOS advantage over River Falls. They could flip-flop #6 and #7. If Middlebury won the NESCAC, I would expect Amherst would go to Plattsburgh and Norwich would go to Middlebury...
 
spwood said:
Bracket integrity is really screwed this week. Elmira and Adrian should be a Final Four matchup, not a QF game! A much more minor change is that Middlebury should be matched up with Amherst, but since they are both NESCAC teams, a change needed to be made there as well. Basically, if we ranked the teams 1-8 (which seems pretty straight forward with these eight teams) and the favorites win their conference tourneys:

#5 Middlebury @ #1 Plattsburgh
#3 Elmira @ #2 Adrian
#6 Norwich @ #4 Amherst
#8 St. Thomas @ #7 River Falls



(I ranked Norwich #6 by virtue of a .603 to .548 SOS advantage over River Falls. They could flip-flop #6 and #7. If Middlebury won the NESCAC, I would expect Amherst would go to Plattsburgh and Norwich would go to Middlebury...
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I'm not sure how many miles it is from Midd the Platty, but it t looks like you avoided flights. They have flown schools in the first round recently.
 
Scott_TG said:
It's like a 90 minute drive.
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if they flew a team it'd likely be Norwich to Adrian. Then Elmira to Nescaca winner and Nescac loser to Plattsburgh. Or would Elmira stay ahead of Nescac winner?

If Lake Forest wins the NCHA tourney it's likely St Thonas would fly to Adrian. River falls to Lake Forest and then Norwich at Platty and The Nescac winner/Elmira game
 
Scott_TG said:
It's like a 90 minute drive.
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if they flew a team it'd likely be Norwich to Adrian. Then Elmira to Nescaca winner and Nescac loser to Plattsburgh. Or would Elmira stay ahead of Nescac winner?

If Lake Forest wins the NCHA tourney it's likely St Thonas would fly to Adrian. River falls to Lake Forest and then Norwich at Platty and The Nescac winner/Elmira game
 
123kidd said:
I'm not sure how many miles it is from Midd the Platty, but it t looks like you avoided flights. They have flown schools in the first round recently.
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They've done it recently because it was necessary. Adrian and Elmira being within 500 miles means there won't be an odd team that they're forced to fly out east. If they can avoid it, they are required to do so, even if it meant 1E amd 1W meeting in a QF. Sad, but true.
 
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Hammer said:
The East will max out at 5. A WIAC team is all but assured a Pool B, and the MIAC and NCHA champions will receive Pool A's. From there they're almost certainly sorting between the 3 losing teams I listed before for 2 Pool C's.
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Thanks for your take. I don't know much at all about the women's game, clearly.

Having said that, seems to me that Utica could leap-frog either/both of Midd and Norwich with a win over Elmira and a loss by either/both. Those three teams are essentially a game apart IMO. (The NCAA has been known to mirror the D-3 KRACH of late, even if they don't care to admit it.)
 
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Fishman'81 said:
Thanks for your take. I don't know much at all about DIII COLLEGE HOCKEY, clearly.

Having said that, seems to me that Utica could leap-frog either/both of Midd and Norwich with a win over Elmira and a loss by either/both. Those three teams are essentially a game apart IMO. (The NCAA has been known to mirror the D-3 KRACH of late, even if they don't care to admit it.)
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Middlebury would still win criteria 5-0 over Utica even with a win over Elmira and a loss to Colby for Middlebury.... not even going to bother doing the Utica / Norwich comparison.

Numbers are based off of Midd loss and Utica Win....
Team Midd / Utica
Win 0.74 / .712
SOS .615 / .533 (a game vs Elm will make it closer but not overtake)
RNK .375 / .286
COP .400 / .286
hh2 1.00 / .000
Total 5 / 0
 
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None of that is set in stone, princess. The selection on the men's side has been exactly along the KRACH for the past couple of years, and the KRACH has no such ridiculous metric as the "RNK" horse-offal. I suspect that the final rankings will reflect the KRACH more so than any preliminary smokescreen seen thus far. In that calculus, there are no arbitrary cliffs, and things might get interesting...


(BTW, it's good to hear from you; we haven't argued all year long! But of course your numbers aren't accurate, either. Same old.)
 
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Fishman'81 said:
Thanks for your take. I don't know much at all about the women's game, clearly.

Having said that, seems to me that Utica could leap-frog either/both of Midd and Norwich with a win over Elmira and a loss by either/both. Those three teams are essentially a game apart IMO. (The NCAA has been known to mirror the D-3 KRACH of late, even if they don't care to admit it.)
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Utica hasn't even been ranked by the NCAA. It would be very hard to imagine them going from not even in the picture to top 3 by winning 1 game.

The selection criteria is set in stone. The teams are compared on 5 categories. The 5 listed by Burgh. In no scenario does Utica beat middlebury/Amherst etc.
 
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Fishman'81 said:
None of that is set in stone, princess. The selection on the men's side has been exactly along the KRACH for the past couple of years, and the KRACH has no such ridiculous metric as the "RNK" horse-offal. I suspect that the final rankings will reflect the KRACH more so than any preliminary smokescreen seen thus far. In that calculus, there are no arbitrary cliffs, and things might get interesting...


(BTW, it's good to hear from you; we haven't argued all year long! But of course your numbers aren't accurate, either. Same old.)
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His numbers are what is provided to us by the NCAA Ranking committee. So yes, they are accurate. As has been told to you a hundred times or more on the men's side, the statistics PSUChamps listed are thr ONLY numers the committee uses. Ever. KRACH doesn't even enter the discussion.

You asked if this was a similar process to the Men. You got the answer that it was the SAME process. And yet you can't seem to get that through your head?

(By the way, welcome back. It's been a long time since I've had a chance to argue with you.)
 
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Find the nearest wall, place head 5" from wall, proceed to slam head against wall. Repeat.

You've now tried to have a conversation with Fish...
 
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Get ready for a 4/4 split. I predicted at the beginning of the year that this was SNC's year to win the NCHA Championship. Their 3 seniors have been their before, and almost the entire team experienced LFC ending their season last year - it's not happening this year. SNC will win today then beat Adrian in the Championship! Coming out of the West will be 1) Adrian 2) River Falls 3) SNC 4) MIAC Champion
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
His numbers are what is provided to us by the NCAA Ranking committee. So yes, they are accurate. As has been told to you a hundred times or more on the men's side, the statistics PSUChamps listed are thr ONLY numers the committee uses. Ever. KRACH doesn't even enter the discussion.

You asked if this was a similar process to the Men. You got the answer that it was the SAME process. And yet you can't seem to get that through your head?

(By the way, welcome back. It's been a long time since I've had a chance to argue with you.)
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Missed you too, Cards!

Yes, I grasp that there are criteria, but isn't it still true that the committee can massage them in order to weight any of them more than any other? In that case, the process is hopelessly plastic and unpredictable (even if they've been getting it right lately on the men's side of things.)

Having said all that, I suppose if Utica isn't on their radar for a Pool C now, it never will be. Guess the girls will have to take down mighty Platty... Again. :D
 
Fishman'81 said:
Missed you too, Cards!

Yes, I grasp that there are criteria, but isn't it still true that the committee can massage them in order to weight any of them more than any other? In that case, the process is hopelessly plastic and unpredictable (even if they've been getting it right lately on the men's side of things.)

Having said all that, I suppose if Utica isn't on their radar for a Pool C now, it never will be. Guess the girls will have to take down mighty Platty... Again. :D
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Utica would actually have to WIN a criteria, they don't.
 
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123kidd said:
Not sure yet, but LF is probably done.

West teams still in the running:
UST - Bethel for MIAC AQ
SNC - Adrian for NCHA AQ
Adrian and UW-RF for possible at large.
5-3 split?
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UWRF most likely gets Pool B...they aren't in the "At-Large"

I see it as a 5-3 split now unless SNC beats Adrian for the NCHA title. Then it is very likely a 4-4 split.
 
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