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D3 Regional Rankings and Bracketology

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gojackets said:
Before this past weekend...which I assume would have pretty much kept things the same since both teams won and played ranked teams...

Seems pretty even. Win is a wash, middlebury gets strength of schedule, River Falls gets RNK, barely. Their 1 common opponent is Stevens Point. Midd played them once, River Falls 5 times. I'm sure it counts, but how heavily does it weigh? It seams this could have really gone either way...and depending on if the Committee ranked River Falls as the 2W vs Middlebury as the 3E, that could swing it that way as well.
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I don't even think UWRF gets in without the Pool B slot. Based on that I think Middlebury is probably the 3 and UWRF the 4. If this were last year I think we'd be talking about Lake Forest in that last at-large slot, not UWRF. Don't get me wrong, UWRF is a decent team but I don't feel they had as a good a season as Middlebury, Amherst or Lake Forest.
 
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gojackets said:
That's like saying if Plattsburgh went 0-25 next year (one can dream right?) that they should still make the tournament because they were good the past few years.
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Now I've tried playing nice with you, but this just did it. What did those poor girls ever do to you? I'm not sure we've ever even played Superior!:D
 
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Should be interesting this year. Looks like they made certain that a western-based team might actually win a game in the NCAA tournament. WOW! Let the games begin. :p
 
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spwood said:
Now I've tried playing nice with you, but this just did it. What did those poor girls ever do to you? I'm not sure we've ever even played Superior!:D
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Haha...you haven't. However, I'm pretty sure seeing Plattsburgh suck would make a lot of eastern folks happy too. :)
 
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hieronymus said:
I don't even think UWRF gets in without the Pool B slot. Based on that I think Middlebury is probably the 3 and UWRF the 4. If this were last year I think we'd be talking about Lake Forest in that last at-large slot, not UWRF. Don't get me wrong, UWRF is a decent team but I don't feel they had as a good a season as Middlebury, Amherst or Lake Forest.
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Remember there would have been 3 pool C's then.

River Falls lost 2 to Stevens Point, 1 to Adrian, 1 to St. Thomas (1st game of the year), and 1 to Superior.

The only bad loss there is to Superior.


Comparing Lake Forest to River Falls--River Falls has a sizeable advantage in SOS, Lake Forest was 2-4-3 vs Ranked opponents, River Falls was 4-4, no head to head...common opponents, they both lost to Adrian and beat everyone else.

I would say that comparison swings River Falls way...I know Lake Forest was ahead of River Falls last week, but that could have changed with results this weekend. And the committee could have been keeping Lake Forest ahead because they knew River Falls was in.

I also think that River Falls gets in over Norwich...much better record, better record against Ranked opponents, but Norwich has a better SOS. No H2H, no common opponents
 
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CrossCheck said:
Not much difference? WoW....just totally clueless right there. :cool:
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Well..... Amherst 4 - UMB 2 on 12/11. I don't feel that Amherst has improved markedly since then (they were good back at the beginning of the season), but UMB has improved leaps and bounds in just the last month. I DEFINITELY hate to say it, but not much difference may not be that far off based on the data.
 
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HockeyEast33 said:
Well..... Amherst 4 - UMB 2 on 12/11. I don't feel that Amherst has improved markedly since then (they were good back at the beginning of the season), but UMB has improved leaps and bounds in just the last month. I DEFINITELY hate to say it, but not much difference may not be that far off based on the data.
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read the box score of the game you mention. do some homework. Amherst is the real deal. Not saying they beat Platty in their barn, but UMB would get blown out...blooooown out by Platty.

Jeffs will make a game of it, but totally Unfair pairing for Amherst [who was one horrible goal call away from a home game and possibly a deep run] and also unfair to Platty, the uncontested #1 seed, not to play UMB in round 1 and beat them by 6 goals.
 
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gojackets said:
Remember there would have been 3 pool C's then.

River Falls lost 2 to Stevens Point, 1 to Adrian, 1 to St. Thomas (1st game of the year), and 1 to Superior.

The only bad loss there is to Superior.


Comparing Lake Forest to River Falls--River Falls has a sizeable advantage in SOS, Lake Forest was 2-4-3 vs Ranked opponents, River Falls was 4-4, no head to head...common opponents, they both lost to Adrian and beat everyone else.

I would say that comparison swings River Falls way...I know Lake Forest was ahead of River Falls last week, but that could have changed with results this weekend. And the committee could have been keeping Lake Forest ahead because they knew River Falls was in.

I also think that River Falls gets in over Norwich...much better record, better record against Ranked opponents, but Norwich has a better SOS. No H2H, no common opponents
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Thanks for your insight. I realize this is all academic but simply trying to get a better understanding of the process for future reference. I was thinking LF and UWRF had similar SOS and that the earlier win by LF over Adrian would be a difference maker. Next year will be interesting. Hoping the math works for a 9 team playoff so there are still three at large bids available. Should be an interesting weekend.
 
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gojackets said:
I'm glad that you're in love with me...but I'm not biased.

I'm not stupid...I know that the west has never won a national title. However, using that as a reason to deny teams into the tournament or hosting rights is just stupid. That's like saying if Plattsburgh went 0-25 next year (one can dream right?) that they should still make the tournament because they were good the past few years.

While the eastern snobbery can continue and will continue, even if a west team wins this year and my arguing the opposing view doesn't make me biased. I can support and advocate for the western teams, while knowing I'm fighting a losing battle until one of the teams out west can beat Plattsburgh. Even then it will be...well you've won 1 in 15 years...the west still sucks.

You will also find that I am often right :)

Again...I'm not the one whining about how my team got screwed...because, you know, they have to travel for a hockey game for once.
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And you continue to assume I am crying about the travel. The fact that Elmira SHOULD be playing #3 Middlebuery and not #1 West Adrian is my issue. That is how Elmira is getting screwed playing against a better team. The BS 500 mile rule is the cause of this match up.
 
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bearcat said:
read the box score of the game you mention. do some homework. Amherst is the real deal. Not saying they beat Platty in their barn, but UMB would get blown out...blooooown out by Platty.

Jeffs will make a game of it, but totally Unfair pairing for Amherst [who was one horrible goal call away from a home game and possibly a deep run] and also unfair to Platty, the uncontested #1 seed, not to play UMB in round 1 and beat them by 6 goals.
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UMass Boston is a good team playing great hockey at the right time. Their team speed is what impressed me most. Top line is very dangerous, especially Curry. Goalie is seeing the puck well and making the saves. Anyone overlooking them will wind up with the same fate Castleton and Norwich did.
 
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It's not unfair or screwing any institution over another when the selection process and pairing process is black and white. No exceptions, no way around it.
Coaches, players, AD's and yes...fans need to understand this.
 
sacole13 said:
And you continue to assume I am crying about the travel. The fact that Elmira SHOULD be playing #3 Middlebuery and not #1 West Adrian is my issue. That is how Elmira is getting screwed playing against a better team. The BS 500 mile rule is the cause of this match up.
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I guess Elmira should have won their semi final game to control their destiny a bit more. No use crying over things now.
 
PrezdeJohnson09 said:
UMass Boston is a good team playing great hockey at the right time. Their team speed is what impressed me most. Top line is very dangerous, especially Curry. Goalie is seeing the puck well and making the saves. Anyone overlooking them will wind up with the same fate Castleton and Norwich did.
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They are playing their best hockey of the season right now but Utica woke up Plattsburgh a few weeks ago and Plattsburgh is on a mission to dispatch of anyone who is in their way of another national championship. The goal for everyone else is to see who can finish as the runners-up.
 
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shelfit said:
I guess Elmira should have won their semi final game to control their destiny a bit more. No use crying over things now.
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They never had control over this... Their only way to avoid traveling to Adrian was to miss the tournament. The only other team in contention within 500 miles was St. Norbert, but they are in Adrian's conference and wouldn't have been allowed to play Adrian either.

The first round was always going to be Elmira @ Adrian (if they both made it).... most of us knew it three weeks ago.
 
spwood said:
They never had control over this... Their only way to avoid traveling to Adrian was to miss the tournament. The only other team in contention within 500 miles was St. Norbert, but they are in Adrian's conference and wouldn't have been allowed to play Adrian either.

The first round was always going to be Elmira @ Adrian (if they both made it).... most of us knew it three weeks ago.
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Hell, even if Elmira had somehow passed Plattsburgh for the 1E seed, they would have been playing Adrian.
 
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Cards rule the burgh and spwood are 100% correct. No matter how it played out Elmira and Adrian were the match up.

123kidd the rules being spelled out does not make them right. I'm not suggesting committee members were sitting in the room saying "ooo we can screw Elmira". I am complaining about the NCAA and their 500 mile rule when they have the funds to scrap that rule by spending the BILLIONS of dollars they get from football and this basketball tournament coming up.
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
Hell, even if Elmira had somehow passed Plattsburgh for the 1E seed, they would have been playing Adrian.
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I think if Adrian and Elmira were both the #1 seeds in their respective regions, there would have been some different pairings. I do not know that to be fact, just my hunch.
 
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Birdwatcher said:
I believe it was USP (not 100% sure on the team) that was flown to Plattsburgh for a first round game about 5 years ago because a flight could not be avoided.
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There have been 2 teams flown to Plattsburgh in recent years...

St.Norbert 2013
St.Thomas 2015
 
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