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D3 Regional Rankings and Bracketology

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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
I think if Adrian and Elmira were both the #1 seeds in their respective regions, there would have been some different pairings. I do not know that to be fact, just my hunch.
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In 2013 St Norbert was flown to Plattsburgh as the #8 seed for a quarter final game because a flight could not be avoided.
 
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If anything it should be Middlebury going to Plattsburgh to avoid the in-conference issue between Midd and Amherst. If we are going off rankings then Middlebury is below Amherst and thus shouldn't be given the non-ranked team in UMass Boston. Give Amherst the Beacons at home and send Midd across the lake.
 
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bearcat said:
read the box score of the game you mention. do some homework. Amherst is the real deal. Not saying they beat Platty in their barn, but UMB would get blown out...blooooown out by Platty.

Jeffs will make a game of it, but totally Unfair pairing for Amherst [who was one horrible goal call away from a home game and possibly a deep run] and also unfair to Platty, the uncontested #1 seed, not to play UMB in round 1 and beat them by 6 goals.
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I read the box score. 46 shots to 30 shots back in December. Not a blowout. My thesis was that UMB in the last month has been way better than in December and that Amherst isn't really any better than in December because they've been playing at a high level all season. UMB beat two ranked teams (Norwich and Castleton) to get to the NCAA tournament. Amherst lost to Midd and barely beat Norwich earlier in the season. I think that Amherst is the better team but UMB isn't that far behind at the level they are playing at currently. You saying "Amherst is the real deal" doesn't mean jack without data to back it up. UMB is playing at a NCAA level now when it matters.
 
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NoChangeOnIcing said:
If anything it should be Middlebury going to Plattsburgh to avoid the in-conference issue between Midd and Amherst. If we are going off rankings then Middlebury is below Amherst and thus shouldn't be given the non-ranked team in UMass Boston. Give Amherst the Beacons at home and send Midd across the lake.
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I would assume that after Midd beat Amherst in the NESCAC final that the rankings changed (as they should) and Midd moved over Amherst. The final rankings (which we'll never know because they aren't released) are the only ones the selection committee looks at.
 
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womensmanager said:
Final Four will be in Plattsburgh. It not going out west
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I think you're wrong here. It's either this year or next and if Adrian wins this weekend, they have a legitimate western host that is the #2 seed overall. It would make sense to have it west this year and not take a chance on not having an ideal host for next year.
 
spwood said:
I think you're wrong here. It's either this year or next and if Adrian wins this weekend, they have a legitimate western host that is the #2 seed overall. It would make sense to have it west this year and not take a chance on not having an ideal host for next year.
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Exactly.
 
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spwood said:
I think you're wrong here. It's either this year or next and if Adrian wins this weekend, they have a legitimate western host that is the #2 seed overall. It would make sense to have it west this year and not take a chance on not having an ideal host for next year.
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But....(s)he's the women's manager...
 
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spwood said:
They never had control over this... Their only way to avoid traveling to Adrian was to miss the tournament. The only other team in contention within 500 miles was St. Norbert, but they are in Adrian's conference and wouldn't have been allowed to play Adrian either.

The first round was always going to be Elmira @ Adrian (if they both made it).... most of us knew it three weeks ago.
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I don't think its true that if St. Norbert had beaten Adrian that it would have been Elmira at Adrian.

At that point, if you are going to have Elmira @ Adrian then you would be flying St. Norbert somewhere out east. The caveat in the rules is that "Teams from the same conference will not be paired to play each other in the first contest of the regional tournament as long as geographic proximity is maintained." Geographic proximity there is a key. They would likely have sent St. Norbert back to Adrian to maintain "geographic proximity" I'm assuming Amherst would have been out at that point and it would have been UMB @ Plattsburgh and Middlebury @ Elmira...if only the **** Knights had beat Adrian Sacole would be a much happier person.
 
gojackets said:
I don't think its true that if St. Norbert had beaten Adrian that it would have been Elmira at Adrian.

At that point, if you are going to have Elmira @ Adrian then you would be flying St. Norbert somewhere out east. The caveat in the rules is that "Teams from the same conference will not be paired to play each other in the first contest of the regional tournament as long as geographic proximity is maintained." Geographic proximity there is a key. They would likely have sent St. Norbert back to Adrian to maintain "geographic proximity" I'm assuming Amherst would have been out at that point and it would have been UMB @ Plattsburgh and Middlebury @ Elmira...if only the **** Knights had beat Adrian Sacole would be a much happier person.
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I believe you are correct, and I will admit my error. There was a way for Elmira to avoid the Adrian matchup, but it had nothing to do with Elmira.
 
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HockeyEast33 said:
I read the box score. 46 shots to 30 shots back in December. Not a blowout. My thesis was that UMB in the last month has been way better than in December and that Amherst isn't really any better than in December because they've been playing at a high level all season. UMB beat two ranked teams (Norwich and Castleton) to get to the NCAA tournament. Amherst lost to Midd and barely beat Norwich earlier in the season. I think that Amherst is the better team but UMB isn't that far behind at the level they are playing at currently. You saying "Amherst is the real deal" doesn't mean jack without data to back it up. UMB is playing at a NCAA level now when it matters.
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UMB is an above average team...nothing more, nothing less. Amherst has 2 losses all season [and that's counting the goal/non-goal loss last weekend]. The fact that UMB is playing better "recently" doesn't really mean 'jack'... to use your lingo. Why should Platty, the clear #1 seed not get the benefit of playing a clear #8 seed team that was never even close to being ranked all season, and instead play a team that was the best team in the best conf. all year and ranked in the top 5 nearly the entire season??
 
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The only way it will go out west is if Plattsburgh losed this weekend.... and it once every 5yrs it has to go out west..
 
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gojackets said:
I don't think its true that if St. Norbert had beaten Adrian that it would have been Elmira at Adrian.

At that point, if you are going to have Elmira @ Adrian then you would be flying St. Norbert somewhere out east. The caveat in the rules is that "Teams from the same conference will not be paired to play each other in the first contest of the regional tournament as long as geographic proximity is maintained." Geographic proximity there is a key. They would likely have sent St. Norbert back to Adrian to maintain "geographic proximity" I'm assuming Amherst would have been out at that point and it would have been UMB @ Plattsburgh and Middlebury @ Elmira...if only the **** Knights had beat Adrian Sacole would be a much happier person.
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I will be happy IF Elmira beat Adrian. No guarantees. Lol
 
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bearcat said:
UMB is an above average team...nothing more, nothing less. Amherst has 2 losses all season [and that's counting the goal/non-goal loss last weekend]. The fact that UMB is playing better "recently" doesn't really mean 'jack'... to use your lingo. Why should Platty, the clear #1 seed not get the benefit of playing a clear #8 seed team that was never even close to being ranked all season, and instead play a team that was the best team in the best conf. all year and ranked in the top 5 nearly the entire season??
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Because those are the rules against which tournament pairings are made and no violations of the rules were made in assigning the pairings (unlike the D1 pairings where it appears lots of rules were stretched/broken). The fact that UMB was playing well recently means everything actually - that is why they are in the tournament rather than Norwich or Castleton. As I've written, Amherst is better than UMB but not that much right now.
 
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HockeyEast33 said:
Because those are the rules against which tournament pairings are made and no violations of the rules were made in assigning the pairings (unlike the D1 pairings where it appears lots of rules were stretched/broken). The fact that UMB was playing well recently means everything actually - that is why they are in the tournament rather than Norwich or Castleton. As I've written, Amherst is better than UMB but not that much right now.
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Rules? Now that's funny. The committee makes it up as they go along.

As for the "not much right now" ...again, not even close. Beating Norwich, and especially Castleton [lately] is hardly a 'whoop-de-****-coo' achievement [apologies to Derrick Coleman]
 
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HockeyEast33 said:
Because those are the rules against which tournament pairings are made and no violations of the rules were made in assigning the pairings (unlike the D1 pairings where it appears lots of rules were stretched/broken). The fact that UMB was playing well recently means everything actually - that is why they are in the tournament rather than Norwich or Castleton. As I've written, Amherst is better than UMB but not that much right now.
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I feel there is some Amherst bias here. to say Amherst is not much better than UMB when they have been ranked in the top ten the entire year, mostly in the top 5 and UMB hasn't even been ranked makes zero sense, especially if you are a true hockey person. So Amherst "only" beat UMB 4-2 back in December that makes UMB just as good. UMB won against Norwich because their goalie had a great game. That is fantastic for them and their program. They were outshot 2-1. So lets do an analogy here and look at Plattsburgh's schedule, they "only" beat Norwich 2-1 at the beginning of the year. If they didn't have the luxury of a rematch with the Cadets in January where they soundly beat them, would Plattsburgh then be only a "little" better than UMB(because UMB beat Norwich??), of course not! I would bet that if Amherst had the luxury of a rematch against UMB in the second half of the season they would have had the same result the second time around against UMB as Platty had against Norwich. But since they didn't I guess you are right, Amherst must only be a "little" better right now than UMB.
 
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