D1 Coaches At Risk

[HockeyEast33]

Hudak has retired from Dartmouth. Announcement on website

Declining performance the last few years. I have never met him, but I have heard from several folks that he and his assistants projected a lot of arrogance in recruiting and that he was personally derogatory to girls he wasn't interested in. If true, the approach is out of touch with the times.

 

[whoop87]

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I may be reading a bit too much into two very solid PPs against BC in the third period of the Friday game, but Providence seemed pretty sound in that game despite the pasting, and they don't graduate a lot of scoring. I wouldn't be surprised to see them comfortably ahead of Maine and Vermont next year.

I also think Providence has a bigger upside next year vs Maine or Vermont. They are a better skating team and they'll miss Romanchuk on D next year but I see them climbing a few rungs.

As for Merrimack, they impressed me for a 1st year program despite really packing it in on D on their tiny home ice sheet. If you looked at their boxscores they were often outshot 2-1 but they clogged the middle so much it was tough to get pucks to the net. I was at 4 of their home games - I wasn't just reading boxscores MC's rink is similar to NU's in size (no corners) and that will be a major factor in the Hockey East semis. The boards are also very lively there at men's games - near misses come back off the end boards so quickly they're almost as good as a juicy rebound from the goalie. Sorry for switching gears a bit - this is probably not the right thread. I think the outcome of the Hockey East championship is not a slam dunk due to it being held in that arena. Obviously BC is a cut above everybody else in the East except they've had trouble on smaller sheets in the past where they didn't have the time and space to maneuver. I think it plays to NU's and BU's favor...assuming of course they make it to the semis

 

[wpiguy]

Declining performance the last few years. I have never met him, but I have heard from several folks that he and his assistants projected a lot of arrogance in recruiting and that he was personally derogatory to girls he wasn't interested in. If true, the approach is out of touch with the times.

I heard from "several folks" that Santa Claus isn't real.

 

[Rightnut]

Declining performance the last few years. I have never met him, but I have heard from several folks that he and his assistants projected a lot of arrogance in recruiting and that he was personally derogatory to girls he wasn't interested in. If true, the approach is out of touch with the times.

Never met Hudak but assistants showed nothing but class.

 

[EastFan1]

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There is a lot of merit to this observation. While non-scholarship/less scholarship schools can do well at times, I think you will find that over the long term on average the bigger budget schools are the ones that succeed more often. To me it is no surprise that schools like BC, Minnesota and Wisconsin are often at or near the top of the heap on a continual basis. Even Harvard, a non-scholarship school is often near the top because of other attractions. (Many in Boston/Mass would to go to Harvard). On occasion smaller budget schools do well for a while (Cornell for a while, for example), but more often than not, not sustainable over the longer term. And while recruiting is not everything, it is a main factor in success or lack thereof.

Hudak talking about the difficulty recruiting at non-scholarship schools and the changing landscape of women's hockey:

http://www.vnews.com/home/20889075-95/net-loss-once-powerful-dartmouth-women-struggle-on-the-ice

 

[HockeyEast33]

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Hudak talking about the difficulty recruiting at non-scholarship schools and the changing landscape of women's hockey:

http://www.vnews.com/home/20889075-95/net-loss-once-powerful-dartmouth-women-struggle-on-the-ice

Ha - the last paragraph may provide a clue as to who the next coach may be - Judy Parish Oberting, who was successful there as coach and helped this season with the team. Generally, this article kind of aligns with the arrogance comments I made previously - heard the D'mouth folks had been able to get who they wanted up to 5+ years ago and treated non-stars in a derogatory fashion (I personally saw an e-mail where one of the D'mouth coaches told a girl that she should call back when she "learned how to skate" - kid went on to be a mid-level D1 performer). That was 4 or 5 years ago. Maybe that has changed recently now that they can't get anyone they want...

 

[CanadaDude]

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Ha - the last paragraph may provide a clue as to who the next coach may be - Judy Parish Oberting, who was successful there as coach and helped this season with the team. Generally, this article kind of aligns with the arrogance comments I made previously - heard the D'mouth folks had been able to get who they wanted up to 5+ years ago and treated non-stars in a derogatory fashion (I personally saw an e-mail where one of the D'mouth coaches told a girl that she should call back when she "learned how to skate" - kid went on to be a mid-level D1 performer). That was 4 or 5 years ago. Maybe that has changed recently now that they can't get anyone they want...

He and his entire staff were nothing but class when dealing with us. They went over and above trying to recruit my D. All things being equal my D may have ended up in Big Green but the financial cost was too big to bear and she ended up at one of the big schools with full scholarship. Everything about the school was perfect but the bigger picture was its just too expensive.

Starting to see this more and more with girls de-committing from Yale, Cornell and others purely for financial reasons.

 

[HockeyEast33]

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FWIW, my niece visited Dartmouth and was treated very well. Said all three coaches were very nice. She is not a superstar, but a good player.

CanadaDude and BCAlum - when were your respective daughters recruited?

 

[clarksoncluck]

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He and his entire staff were nothing but class when dealing with us. They went over and above trying to recruit my D. All things being equal my D may have ended up in Big Green but the financial cost was too big to bear and she ended up at one of the big schools with full scholarship. Everything about the school was perfect but the bigger picture was its just too expensive.

Starting to see this more and more with girls de-committing from Yale, Cornell and others purely for financial reasons.

I know education is expensive. My daughter was told from both Princeton and Dartmouth that they could make her marks work (average to good student - but a pretty good player). She and I choose the North Country, which ended up being a good experience back about 6 years ago. We choose not to go Ivy since we both felt that she may struggle through the course load.

This was probably a mistake, since after she started with school and many of her friends went Ivy and or scholly, the Ivy students said that once your in and put in the time - that you will survive. Looking back, I regret that she did not attend one of these Ivy schools, since many of these good scholly schools are not very well known in Canada. In the long run she would have been way better off playing Ivy than scholly! Not a knock on the scholly schools it's just that the girls can't go and play for a living anywhere in the world. It was a mistake which we made. She had a fun time, good hockey and life experience. But she had the opportunity to make a better road map for her future with the Ivy's!

She is doing ok financially and not chasing the hockey dream anymore (still plays but without the National Team aspirations). I know it costs money to play at the Ivy's but most parents cannot look me in the eye and tell me that they made the right choice with their daughter after hockey is over if they just went with the least expensive or the most hockey notoriety.

Once you get done your hockey experience in Mankato, UM, BC, UW, Mercyhurst, Quinnipiac, etc; I really hope that the 4 years was not just for hockey and that the move was one to build a strong foundation on which to build your life. Trust me, some can and do waste their time at the elite schools but I guarantee you, in Canada most of the scholly schools are not very well recognized. Sorry, but it's the truth

 

[wpiguy]

FWIW, my niece visited Dartmouth and was treated very well. Said all three coaches were very nice. She is not a superstar, but a good player.

FWIW I visited the Big Green snack bar to get a hot chocolate and the woman who served me was very nice.

 

[icehawk]

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Rumblings in Grand Forks that Idalski needs to go.

 

[Call It]

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The top 3 or 4 U19 teams would give the bottom 4 or 5 in Hockey East a competitive game, so not really a shot at all...

If this is true than Plumber should recruit the whole current NAHA team (currently ranked 3rd on myhockeyrankings.com for full season teams)! They are 30 mins from his campus but this dumb a s s hasn't recruited one and yes I know he has 2 on the roster. I did hear that Grant did inquire about a girl about a month after she committed to MN. Good thing Grant isn't on commission. I wouldn't let Plumber or Grant coach my daughter's u12 team.

 

[EastFan1]

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Once you get done your hockey experience in Mankato, UM, BC, UW, Mercyhurst, Quinnipiac, etc; I really hope that the 4 years was not just for hockey and that the move was one to build a strong foundation on which to build your life. Trust me, some can and do waste their time at the elite schools but I guarantee you, in Canada most of the scholly schools are not very well recognized. Sorry, but it's the truth

No dooubt if you go to some weak scholly school like BC you are pretty much topping out as an assistant manager at Tim Horton's, eh?

 

[Rightnut]

No dooubt if you go to some weak scholly school like BC you are pretty much topping out as an assistant manager at Tim Horton's, eh?

I understood his point that all scholly schools are not created equal academically but he lost me when he included BC in his list. Hopefully wherever his daughter settled on instead of the Ivy taught her the grammatical difference between chose and choose.

 

[CrazyDave]

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Rumblings in Grand Forks that Idalski needs to go.

There are also rumblings in Minneapolis that Idalski needs to go, but that's a whole different story.

Given the up-and-down aspect of UND this season, I guess I'm not surprised by this. They really appear to have plateaued. But I don't know if they will be able to find anyone to make them better.

 

[pokechecker]

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I know education is expensive. My daughter was told from both Princeton and Dartmouth that they could make her marks work (average to good student - but a pretty good player). She and I choose the North Country, which ended up being a good experience back about 6 years ago. We choose not to go Ivy since we both felt that she may struggle through the course load.

This was probably a mistake, since after she started with school and many of her friends went Ivy and or scholly, the Ivy students said that once your in and put in the time - that you will survive. Looking back, I regret that she did not attend one of these Ivy schools, since many of these good scholly schools are not very well known in Canada. In the long run she would have been way better off playing Ivy than scholly! Not a knock on the scholly schools it's just that the girls can't go and play for a living anywhere in the world. It was a mistake which we made. She had a fun time, good hockey and life experience. But she had the opportunity to make a better road map for her future with the Ivy's!

She is doing ok financially and not chasing the hockey dream anymore (still plays but without the National Team aspirations). I know it costs money to play at the Ivy's but most parents cannot look me in the eye and tell me that they made the right choice with their daughter after hockey is over if they just went with the least expensive or the most hockey notoriety.

Once you get done your hockey experience in Mankato, UM, BC, UW, Mercyhurst, Quinnipiac, etc; I really hope that the 4 years was not just for hockey and that the move was one to build a strong foundation on which to build your life. Trust me, some can and do waste their time at the elite schools but I guarantee you, in Canada most of the scholly schools are not very well recognized. Sorry, but it's the truth

the second mistake is going back to Canada, after earning a degree in the US
sorry, but it is the truth
there is sooooo much more opportunity in the US

 

[CanadaDude]

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CanadaDude and BCAlum - when were your respective daughters recruited?

Year and a half ago.

I know education is expensive. My daughter was told from both Princeton and Dartmouth that they could make her marks work (average to good student - but a pretty good player). She and I choose the North Country, which ended up being a good experience back about 6 years ago. We choose not to go Ivy since we both felt that she may struggle through the course load.

This was probably a mistake, since after she started with school and many of her friends went Ivy and or scholly, the Ivy students said that once your in and put in the time - that you will survive. Looking back, I regret that she did not attend one of these Ivy schools, since many of these good scholly schools are not very well known in Canada. In the long run she would have been way better off playing Ivy than scholly! Not a knock on the scholly schools it's just that the girls can't go and play for a living anywhere in the world. It was a mistake which we made. She had a fun time, good hockey and life experience. But she had the opportunity to make a better road map for her future with the Ivy's!

She is doing ok financially and not chasing the hockey dream anymore (still plays but without the National Team aspirations). I know it costs money to play at the Ivy's but most parents cannot look me in the eye and tell me that they made the right choice with their daughter after hockey is over if they just went with the least expensive or the most hockey notoriety.

Once you get done your hockey experience in Mankato, UM, BC, UW, Mercyhurst, Quinnipiac, etc; I really hope that the 4 years was not just for hockey and that the move was one to build a strong foundation on which to build your life. Trust me, some can and do waste their time at the elite schools but I guarantee you, in Canada most of the scholly schools are not very well recognized. Sorry, but it's the truth

4 years of University in Canada costs about the same as 1 year at an IVY and maybe even less once you add in the tumbling Canadian dollar. IVYs are also quite small with limited programs and none had her specific program of choice. State schools offer every degree imaginable and are much higher ranked than the schools you mentioned above. Still need to balance the school and hockey aspect but thats an individual choice.

 

[HockeyEast33]

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Year and a half ago.

So recently after Dartmouth started sucking. As I noted, my info is 3-4+ years out and it's entirely possible that once they started losing that he lost the arrogance - certainly would have been the right choice - but apparently not soon enough to avoid a 10th place finish in what is effectively a 10 team league (sure, Union and Brown are there, but only in name not in play).

4 years of University in Canada costs about the same as 1 year at an IVY and maybe even less once you add in the tumbling Canadian dollar. IVYs are also quite small with limited programs and none had her specific program of choice. State schools offer every degree imaginable and are much higher ranked than the schools you mentioned above. Still need to balance the school and hockey aspect but thats an individual choice.

Even within the Ivy's things are different at different schools. Cornell is as large as some state schools and offers a WIDE variety of highly ranked degrees in pretty much all fields liberal arts and professional. Dartmouth, Princeton, etc. are indeed smaller and still offer a wide range of degree choices but fewer. If you are looking for physical therapy, exercise science, nursing, or some sort of medically oriented/trade oriented degree most of the Ivy's won't be the best choices and other schools will be ranked higher. If you're looking for a more traditional degree - science, social science, liberal arts, engineering - you'll be hard-pressed not to find a good fit in the Ivy League somewhere.

 

[clarksoncluck]

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the second mistake is going back to Canada, after earning a degree in the US
sorry, but it is the truth
there is sooooo much more opportunity in the US

You may be right!

I hear that there is a large wall construction project in Texas. Plus likely more pipeline activity in the Dakotas. Less the mass shootings, and the on balance pretty good deal.

 

[zoofer]

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FWIW, I was talking with a former teammate of mine who for about 3 decades now, has been traveling the globe recruiting for the NHL....(he chooses to stay in scouting)....we were discussing UNH's decline the past decade for both genders....his comment was on how a kid would come to Boston, to take a look at BC, BU, Lowell, or Providi and not even consider driving up to Durham.....one of his player's brother came to visit UNH from Wisconsin with his father, where both were blown away by how nice the campus was, what it was near, programs, etc........he had never heard what UNH had to offer from where he lived.....So I think that the name recognition that comes along with the Ivy's or schools like BC, or Minnesota carries out after you graduate and is the same in the business world....but with that said, we all know there is much more at stack for our kid's happiness than their 401K....just MHO