Blackbeard
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Re: D1 Coaches At Risk
Does this mean that Papulaisle's other worldly hallucinations are about to resurface?
Does this mean that Papulaisle's other worldly hallucinations are about to resurface?
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D1 Coaches At Risk
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Blackbeard
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Re: D1 Coaches At Risk
Her record at Northeastern as Head Coach is not encouraging, why did Hockey Canada not retain her ? I don't know a lot about Schuler but given her previous record it begs the questions to be asked. UMD program went south during her time there, I know she was an assistant but again not encouraging resume to be named Head Coach………just saying…………………..!
Her record at Northeastern as Head Coach is not encouraging, why did Hockey Canada not retain her ? I don't know a lot about Schuler but given her previous record it begs the questions to be asked. UMD program went south during her time there, I know she was an assistant but again not encouraging resume to be named Head Coach………just saying…………………..!
Agreed...this one is more than a little curious to me. Plus Dartmouth attracts very different student athletes than does Northeastern and Duluth. The NU experience was a complete disaster and Duluth was a dumpster fire, but I'll cut her some slack since she was an assistant, other than the decision to associate herself with Miller in the first place. Hopefully her connections with Hockey Canada will be as useful to Dartmouth as the Union's coach's connections to USA Hockey were for them. This hire is going to leave a mark.
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pokechecker
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the fact that they had two far better, proven candidates didn't have anything to do with it
Dartmouth is going against the grain, they couldn't find a US coach?
Maybe they know that after everyone else takes the pick of the litter there are no US players left, and they are hoping her connections in Canada can snag a few that Wisconsin, Harvard, Princeton, ... pass on.
giwan
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UMD going south was Miller and no longer getting all the top foreign recruits. She got a head start there and when others caught up UMD leveled off.
The rest is an unknown, but you can argue it would be a different type of recruit from UMD to Dartmouth.
UMD going south was Miller and no longer getting all the top foreign recruits. She got a head start there and when others caught up UMD leveled off.
The rest is an unknown, but you can argue it would be a different type of recruit from UMD to Dartmouth.
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She was an assistant coach and recruiting co-ordinator for Shannon Miller at the University of Minnesota-Duluth from 2008 to 2015. Schuler has previous experience as a head coach in women's NCAA hockey at both her alma mater Northeastern (2004-08) and University of Massachusetts-Boston.
In the Press release they spoke of the recruiting she had done for UMD……………I would suggest the expectations are not that high for her at Dartmoth !
She was an assistant coach and recruiting co-ordinator for Shannon Miller at the University of Minnesota-Duluth from 2008 to 2015. Schuler has previous experience as a head coach in women's NCAA hockey at both her alma mater Northeastern (2004-08) and University of Massachusetts-Boston.
In the Press release they spoke of the recruiting she had done for UMD……………I would suggest the expectations are not that high for her at Dartmoth !
Blackbeard
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She claimed at the time that she was leaving her head post at NU to become an assistant under Miller to learn everything she could with respect to being a successful head coach under the most successful head coach at the time. Although, as Hux and I have previously discussed, the writing may have already been on the wall for her at NU and if so, when she read it, she beat a hasty exit.
Don't know what you mean about Hockey Canada not retaining her. She has been in their coaching pool for a number of years unless something has very recently happened that I am not aware of.
She claimed at the time that she was leaving her head post at NU to become an assistant under Miller to learn everything she could with respect to being a successful head coach under the most successful head coach at the time. Although, as Hux and I have previously discussed, the writing may have already been on the wall for her at NU and if so, when she read it, she beat a hasty exit.
Don't know what you mean about Hockey Canada not retaining her. She has been in their coaching pool for a number of years unless something has very recently happened that I am not aware of.
Blackbeard
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I agree completely.
As I thought at the time, (and have mentioned before), her problems were about to begin (competition in recruiting Europeans) (and time has shown that they did begin) right after the Vancouver Olympics in 2010, right after UMD had won their 5th Frozen Four Championship the following month, when UND hired Peter Elander. Others had gone to school on her and were finally getting to work...I'm surprised that it took other programs so long. She was smart enough to tap into a virgin market for her recruiting program (it was partly out of necessity in starting a program from scratch) and it didn't hurt when success (Frozen Four Championship wins) kept breeding success (increasing credibility and theoretically making it easier to attract recruits). A positive vicious circle.
It also didn't hurt that she ran her training program the way Team Canada ran theirs...meaning that in addition to recruiting very talented players her teams were trained into peak shape which required uncommon commitments and dedication from the players at the time. They were not only trained to be in championship physical condition but also to believe by the many cues in their daily UMD environment that they were champions and were expected to be so.
I think that these are a couple other things that she was ahead of the curve on...until others slowly caught up.
I agree completely.
As I thought at the time, (and have mentioned before), her problems were about to begin (competition in recruiting Europeans) (and time has shown that they did begin) right after the Vancouver Olympics in 2010, right after UMD had won their 5th Frozen Four Championship the following month, when UND hired Peter Elander. Others had gone to school on her and were finally getting to work...I'm surprised that it took other programs so long. She was smart enough to tap into a virgin market for her recruiting program (it was partly out of necessity in starting a program from scratch) and it didn't hurt when success (Frozen Four Championship wins) kept breeding success (increasing credibility and theoretically making it easier to attract recruits). A positive vicious circle.
It also didn't hurt that she ran her training program the way Team Canada ran theirs...meaning that in addition to recruiting very talented players her teams were trained into peak shape which required uncommon commitments and dedication from the players at the time. They were not only trained to be in championship physical condition but also to believe by the many cues in their daily UMD environment that they were champions and were expected to be so.
I think that these are a couple other things that she was ahead of the curve on...until others slowly caught up.
pokechecker
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Saying she was ahead of the curve is charitable, the other schools hired women with almost no coaching experience and were dog meat for Miller. Eventually they all got replaced by men. The outcome of hiring Miller was a resounding defeat for women hockey coaches. It set them back at least 15 years. If UMD had hired like all the rest of the schools, the coaches would have gradually gained experience and rather than being a predominately male profession, would likely be all female. WCHA supremacy also likely would never have happened.
The Ivies, given their multi-billion dollar endowments can be PC and hire women, there isn’t the need to put fans in the seats like at the public schools. In fact being PC likely puts more money in their coffers than fans in the seats would. All those women with jobs and no kids have to do something with their money before they die.
Saying she was ahead of the curve is charitable, the other schools hired women with almost no coaching experience and were dog meat for Miller. Eventually they all got replaced by men. The outcome of hiring Miller was a resounding defeat for women hockey coaches. It set them back at least 15 years. If UMD had hired like all the rest of the schools, the coaches would have gradually gained experience and rather than being a predominately male profession, would likely be all female. WCHA supremacy also likely would never have happened.
The Ivies, given their multi-billion dollar endowments can be PC and hire women, there isn’t the need to put fans in the seats like at the public schools. In fact being PC likely puts more money in their coffers than fans in the seats would. All those women with jobs and no kids have to do something with their money before they die.
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She was Head Coach at the Worlds for Team Canada recently and was not retained going forward to the Olympics.
Don't know what you mean about Hockey Canada not retaining her. She has been in their coaching pool for a number of years unless something has very recently happened that I am not aware of.
She was Head Coach at the Worlds for Team Canada recently and was not retained going forward to the Olympics.
Don't know what you mean about Hockey Canada not retaining her. She has been in their coaching pool for a number of years unless something has very recently happened that I am not aware of.
HockeyEast33
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Wow....just wow. I don't even know where to start with this mess of a post....so I won't. But still....WOW.
Wow....just wow. I don't even know where to start with this mess of a post....so I won't. But still....WOW.
Blackbeard
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5 Frozen Four Championships in 10 years...3 of them (consecutive) in her first few years...yeah, what a terrible example to set for all other existing and aspiring women hockey coaches by showing them that it can be done. Your thought is an interesting one but convoluted.
Yeah, nothing like compounding a felony by being stupid enough to give away your hard earned capital, (that this planet is so short of in our world that is choking to death on debt), to someone who didn't have to earn it and who most likely doesn't understand the basic concept of "money" in the first place so that they can **** it away because, after all...it's "FREE"! "And where we found some of it we're sure to find some more".
It's like giving your money to the government. Those not having to earn it are deprived of the self imposed reality/education of what has to be exchanged or sacrificed in order to accumulate it and they consequently attach virtually no meaning or value to its acquisition leading to unaccountability and waste. Ultimately it is a tragedy because it is the waste of years of the person's life who did the sacrificing to accumulate that capital in the first place. Flushed, by someone who you have done a disservice to by depriving them of having to learn the valuable life lessons associated with the accumulation of capital by your having just given them yours.
As I've said before, all political correctness ultimately does is create a world of mediocrity filled with underachievers.
5 Frozen Four Championships in 10 years...3 of them (consecutive) in her first few years...yeah, what a terrible example to set for all other existing and aspiring women hockey coaches by showing them that it can be done. Your thought is an interesting one but convoluted.
Yeah, nothing like compounding a felony by being stupid enough to give away your hard earned capital, (that this planet is so short of in our world that is choking to death on debt), to someone who didn't have to earn it and who most likely doesn't understand the basic concept of "money" in the first place so that they can **** it away because, after all...it's "FREE"! "And where we found some of it we're sure to find some more".
It's like giving your money to the government. Those not having to earn it are deprived of the self imposed reality/education of what has to be exchanged or sacrificed in order to accumulate it and they consequently attach virtually no meaning or value to its acquisition leading to unaccountability and waste. Ultimately it is a tragedy because it is the waste of years of the person's life who did the sacrificing to accumulate that capital in the first place. Flushed, by someone who you have done a disservice to by depriving them of having to learn the valuable life lessons associated with the accumulation of capital by your having just given them yours.
As I've said before, all political correctness ultimately does is create a world of mediocrity filled with underachievers.
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pokechecker
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Somehow HockeyEast's quoted the wrong thread, so I'm fixing it
Somehow HockeyEast's quoted the wrong thread, so I'm fixing it
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pokechecker
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originally all the WCHA coaches were women, a year ago only one
then WI appointed MJ, and other schools followed
then Miller herself was history
compare it to the history of college hoops
they are light years ahead
interestingly, they have "ringers" too, but they are the male practice players
exactly, those first years were like feeding lambs to lions, those original WCHA coaches being the lambs
originally all the WCHA coaches were women, a year ago only one
then WI appointed MJ, and other schools followed
then Miller herself was history
compare it to the history of college hoops
they are light years ahead
interestingly, they have "ringers" too, but they are the male practice players
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Blackbeard
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So your theory then is that, because Miller was so successful early on, other program AD's realized/concluded that they could never find a female coach that could match or beat her so they started hiring male coaches to replace their female coaches...because everybody knows that male coaches are superior to female coaches...and if the AD's didn't think that why would they alter course mid stream and go that route? And this was the death knell for female head coaches in D1. All Miller's fault for seeing an advantage and taking it in a ignored recruiting market, among other things. And probably UMD's fault ultimately for hiring her instead of doing the politically correct thing by hiring someone with less ability. Shame on them for taking the steps to increase the likelihood that their new women's hockey program would be successful.
Do I understand you correctly?
So your theory then is that, because Miller was so successful early on, other program AD's realized/concluded that they could never find a female coach that could match or beat her so they started hiring male coaches to replace their female coaches...because everybody knows that male coaches are superior to female coaches...and if the AD's didn't think that why would they alter course mid stream and go that route? And this was the death knell for female head coaches in D1. All Miller's fault for seeing an advantage and taking it in a ignored recruiting market, among other things. And probably UMD's fault ultimately for hiring her instead of doing the politically correct thing by hiring someone with less ability. Shame on them for taking the steps to increase the likelihood that their new women's hockey program would be successful.
Do I understand you correctly?
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The last paragraph is the best explanation I have heard in a long while on what is happening with this dependent generation(s). Sending this to my college age kids, maybe they can educate their lazy, entitled friends
The last paragraph is the best explanation I have heard in a long while on what is happening with this dependent generation(s). Sending this to my college age kids, maybe they can educate their lazy, entitled friends