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D1 Coaches At Risk

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So your theory then is that, because Miller was so successful early on, other program AD's realized/concluded that they could never find a female coach that could match or beat her so they started hiring male coaches to replace their female coaches...because everybody knows that male coaches are superior to female coaches...and if the AD's didn't think that why would they alter course mid stream and go that route? And this was the death knell for female head coaches in D1. All Miller's fault for seeing an advantage and taking it in a ignored recruiting market, among other things. And probably UMD's fault ultimately for hiring her instead of doing the politically correct thing by hiring someone with less ability. Shame on them for taking the steps to increase the likelihood that their new women's hockey program would be successful.

Do I understand you correctly?

Your maple leaf is showing, although I don’t blame you for being mad that Canada lost an American university to develop hockey players and coaches. Cheer up, they can now go to Dartmouth instead.

What’s humorous here is that you think that by rewording my “theory” that you discredit it.

First of all it is not a theory, it is fact. Second, all you’ve done is to help people to understand the truth that were too ignorant to have figured it out for themselves.

I understand that it escapes some people that somewhere, somehow, someone will have to pay the bill, but to the important people that matter, the politicians who ultimately fund public endeavors, the answer to the question did UMD make a mistake in hiring Miller, the answer is a resounding yes.

If you need proof of that you only have to look at our goofy governor’s response when her contract was not renewed. Like any good Utopian, his immediate reaction was outrage that a Lesbian was being discriminated against. But when advised of the actual facts, he did an about face.

You have to go back to the early 90’s. Back then there were bills before the legislature to invest (to use the Utopian word for spend) money to provide communities and universities for, among other things, expanding and upgrading facilities for hockey. Part of the selling point was to provide girls and women opportunity to participate in sports and be coaches. This played a big part in the decision to expand women's hockey at MN universities.

So did hiring Miller provide opportunities for girls in MN to play hockey, and mentor MN women to become coaches? You’d have to turn over a lot of rocks to find anyone in MN who thinks hiring Miller was a good idea. In fact if Miller eventually extracts any money from the U of MN, given the way they and government pizz money away, I will consider it money well spent, at least compared to much of what they spend money on.

Note that the U of MN just used the hockey team to lobby our state government for more money. I don’t recall them ever using UMD for that, likely because they didn’t want to remind Those That Matter of how UMD failed to keep up their end of the bargain.

Note that both Mankato & SCSU are none the worse than UMD despite their W-L record, in fact they are better off, they don’t have the enrollment problem UMD has (do Canadians students flock to UMD as a result?), they don’t have the budget problem UMD has (do Canadian alumni write checks to UMD?). They are not the bad kid that has to sit in the corner like UMD does.

Ultimately coaches are judged by how well they get the general public to pay 50 bucks for a 5 dollar shirt and alumni to write big checks. On this, she was a complete failure, she only PO'd people off. I’m sure Amsoil is happy, that had to be a surprise bonus for them that UMD won championships, but otherwise, it is hard to find anyone else here who benefited.

Dartmouth doesn't have to answer to politicians, nor the general public, like a public U does, so it might work out for them. But I doubt it, after WI, Harvard, Princeton, Clarkson ... take the pick of the litter, there isn't going to be many Canadians left for them.
 
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Your maple leaf is showing, although I don’t blame you for being mad that Canada lost an American university to develop hockey players and coaches. Cheer up, they can now go to Dartmouth instead.

What’s humorous here is that you think that by rewording my “theory” that you discredit it.

First of all it is not a theory, it is fact. Second, all you’ve done is to help people to understand the truth that were too ignorant to have figured it out for themselves.

I understand that it escapes some people that somewhere, somehow, someone will have to pay the bill, but to the important people that matter, the politicians who ultimately fund public endeavors, the answer to the question did UMD make a mistake in hiring Miller, the answer is a resounding yes.

If you need proof of that you only have to look at our goofy governor’s response when her contract was not renewed. Like any good Utopian, his immediate reaction was outrage that a Lesbian was being discriminated against. But when advised of the actual facts, he did an about face.

You have to go back to the early 90’s. Back then there were bills before the legislature to invest (to use the Utopian word for spend) money to provide communities and universities for, among other things, expanding and upgrading facilities for hockey. Part of the selling point was to provide girls and women opportunity to participate in sports and be coaches. This played a big part in the decision to expand women's hockey at MN universities.

So did hiring Miller provide opportunities for girls in MN to play hockey, and mentor MN women to become coaches? You’d have to turn over a lot of rocks to find anyone in MN who thinks hiring Miller was a good idea. In fact if Miller eventually extracts any money from the U of MN, given the way they and government pizz money away, I will consider it money well spent, at least compared to much of what they spend money on.

Note that the U of MN just used the hockey team to lobby our state government for more money. I don’t recall them ever using UMD for that, likely because they didn’t want to remind Those That Matter of how UMD failed to keep up their end of the bargain.

Note that both Mankato & SCSU are none the worse than UMD despite their W-L record, in fact they are better off, they don’t have the enrollment problem UMD has (do Canadians students flock to UMD as a result?), they don’t have the budget problem UMD has (do Canadian alumni write checks to UMD?). They are not the bad kid that has to sit in the corner like UMD does.

Ultimately coaches are judged by how well they get the general public to pay 50 bucks for a 5 dollar shirt and alumni to write big checks. On this, she was a complete failure, she only PO'd people off. I’m sure Amsoil is happy, that had to be a surprise bonus for them that UMD won championships, but otherwise, it is hard to find anyone else here who benefited.

Dartmouth doesn't have to answer to politicians, nor the general public, like a public U does, so it might work out for them. But I doubt it, after WI, Harvard, Princeton, Clarkson ... take the pick of the litter, there isn't going to be many Canadians left for them.[/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCud8H7z7vU :)
 
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Your maple leaf is showing, although I don’t blame you for being mad that Canada lost an American university to develop hockey players and coaches. Cheer up, they can now go to Dartmouth instead.

What’s humorous here is that you think that by rewording my “theory” that you discredit it.

I understand that it escapes some people that somewhere, somehow, someone will have to pay the bill, but to the important people that matter, the politicians who ultimately fund public endeavors, the answer to the question did UMD make a mistake in hiring Miller, the answer is a resounding yes.

A few corrections to your post:

Firstly, I have no idea how you read "the maple leaf" in any of this...it's not part of the discussion, at least certainly not in my mind.

Secondly, I was not attempting to "reword" your theory in order to discredit it. I was attempting to summarize it to see if I understood you correctly which is why I asked if I did understand you correctly.

Thirdly, politicians don't ultimately fund public endeavours...the taxpayers do.


You have to go back to the early 90’s. Back then there were bills before the legislature to invest (to use the Utopian word for spend) money to provide communities and universities for, among other things, expanding and upgrading facilities for hockey. Part of the selling point was to provide girls and women opportunity to participate in sports and be coaches. This played a big part in the decision to expand women's hockey at MN universities.

So did hiring Miller provide opportunities for girls in MN to play hockey, and mentor MN women to become coaches? You’d have to turn over a lot of rocks to find anyone in MN who thinks hiring Miller was a good idea.

Note that the U of MN just used the hockey team to lobby our state government for more money. I don’t recall them ever using UMD for that, likely because they didn’t want to remind Those That Matter of how UMD failed to keep up their end of the bargain.

If this is all as you say then maybe those doling out the taxpayers' money should have insisted on some conditions to prevent a UMD and their chancellor from doing an end run around what was supposedly intended. But even so, this just folds this end back into the middle with respect to government or pseudo government agencies' actions almost always having unintended consequences. If you rely on governments to make you happy you will almost certainly achieve the opposite result.

As interesting as I find your thinking on this topic to be, ultimately it relies on hindsight to denounce the basic human instinct which is survival. Most people don't begin an endeavour by knowingly stacking the odds against their chances for success...they do the opposite...as in hiring the best help that they can recruit and/or afford. In addition I think 5Hole is right...too many notes. Why? Because it assumes that people will or should be able to see all these things way into the future especially when their vision is distorted by never ending government meddling and that they will make choices that run counter to their natural instinct for survival...even to the point of being politically correct in doing so which just adds steroids to the situation which just guarantees no hope of a positive outcome, ultimately.

While not perfect, individuals or groups pursuing their goals of self interest, as free as possible from government meddling, usually results in a better outcome.
 
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Most people don't begin an endeavour by knowingly stacking the odds against their chances for success...they do the opposite...as in hiring the best help that they can recruit and/or afford.

you are preaching to the choir, but thanks for saying it
 
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