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Cornell Big Red 2011-2012

Re: Cornell Big Red 2011-2012

ithacat said:
If she graduates this spring she won't be allowed to use it at Cornell -- I believe that's the way the Ivies work, unless she spent last year abroad.
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This leads to an even more intriguing question. What "If she does not graduate" ? Could she then play that fourth year with Cornell, if she finishes her undergrad the year afer ?
 
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OnMAA said:
This leads to an even more intriguing question. What "If she does not graduate" ? Could she then play that fourth year with Cornell, if she finishes her undergrad the year afer ?
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I don't see why not. Perhaps she took a semester off...or wasn't able to transfer all her credits...or opted to pursue a different major?
 
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Trillium said:
I don't see why not. Perhaps she took a semester off...or wasn't able to transfer all her credits...or opted to pursue a different major?
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If she's listed as a senior it's less likely that she took a semester off or wasn't able to transfer all her credits, though it's possible. I'm not sure how a 2nd major works into the equation, though it would seem to be a possibility (although an extenuating circumstance might still be a necessary factor -- study abroad, injury, etc). If it's true that Vermont refused to release her, she might be able to petition for that year as long as she doesn't graduate in May. Spending an extra year, of course, is a lot to ask of someone (and their family) at a non-scholarship private school. Obviously, I'm not an expert.

Of course, she might want to graduate and get on with her life. Just this past May, on the men's side, Jordan Kary gave up his last year of hockey and graduated after 3 years.
 
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ithacat said:
If she's listed as a senior it's less likely that she took a semester off or wasn't able to transfer all her credits, though it's possible. I'm not sure how a 2nd major works into the equation, though it would seem to be a possibility (although an extenuating circumstance might still be a necessary factor -- study abroad, injury, etc). If it's true that Vermont refused to release her, she might be able to petition for that year as long as she doesn't graduate in May. Spending an extra year, of course, is a lot to ask of someone (and their family) at a non-scholarship private school. Obviously, I'm not an expert.

Of course, she might want to graduate and get on with her life. Just this past May, on the men's side, Jordan Kary gave up his last year of hockey and graduated after 3 years.
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Dunno the details on this case, but it stands to reason, if a player moved schools and wants to play varsity hockey, that she'd prefer to play out all four years of her eligibility.
 
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Trillium said:
Vindictive, if you ask me. (I know, nobody asked). I don't see what's gained by withholding a release. Actually, I think there's a far more to lose in the long run by doing so. Make prospective recruits think twice about the program, not to mention the potential damage done by ill will created. The hockey world is VERY small.
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While most programs will grant a release, thinking they'd rather have a player that wants to be there, that doesn't mean that any program that chooses not to do so is automatically a villain. The student athlete is the one that wants to back out of a previous agreement. It is important that the young lady understands the ramifications of her commitment before she makes it, because the small world piece cuts both ways.
 
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ARM said:
While most programs will grant a release, thinking they'd rather have a player that wants to be there, that doesn't mean that any program that chooses not to do so is automatically a villain. The student athlete is the one that wants to back out of a previous agreement. It is important that the young lady understands the ramifications of her commitment before she makes it, because the small world piece cuts both ways.
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Well I guess we'll agree to disagree on the villain thing here. I would most definitely agree with you that people (whether schools or athletes) should take their commitments seriously, and do their due diligence before agreeing to something. Too many don't take it seriously enough. That said, regardless of one's best efforts, sometimes things do happen that are completely unforeseen. We don't know what led to this young lady's decision to transfer (and it is none of our business). It is certainly possible too that the school or coach didn't follow through on the agreement in some way, contributing to her ultimate decision.

If I recall correctly from old commitment lists, she actually had chosen to attend Cornell in the first place, before later changing and ending up on the Vermont list at the 11th hour. This suggests that probably her heart was with Cornell all along, but something got in the way, who knows--perhaps financials. The fact that she was ultimately willing to sacrifice a year of hockey if necessary to transfer to Cornell 2 years later, suggests that that decision was based on what was deemed her best academic interests and fit, in line with her original intent. And I have no idea what her major is, but it would be pretty tough to argue that Vermont could be on a par with Cornell academically there. Isn't academics what university is supposed to be about? So to withhold her hockey transfer in those circumstances can really be viewed in no other light than petty vindictiveness, IMHO.
 
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Trillium said:
We don't know what led to this young lady's decision to transfer (and it is none of our business)... So to withhold her hockey transfer in those circumstances can really be viewed in no other light than petty vindictiveness, IMHO.
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Exactly -- we don't know. In the general case, not this one in particular, the rules are in place for a reason. The NCAA does not want it to be a trivial matter for players to move from program to program. Why? Because there are both coaches and players that would take advantage of that situation. Obviously, those rules were created with higher-visibility sports in mind. Just remember that the rules support the coach withholding a release even if you do not, so I think vindictive is too harsh a label when lacking knowledge of the particulars.
 
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ARM said:
Exactly -- we don't know. In the general case, not this one in particular, the rules are in place for a reason. The NCAA does not want it to be a trivial matter for players to move from program to program. Why? Because there are both coaches and players that would take advantage of that situation. Obviously, those rules were created with higher-visibility sports in mind. Just remember that the rules support the coach withholding a release even if you do not, so I think vindictive is too harsh a label when lacking knowledge of the particulars.
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True, while we don't know all the particulars, all of the known details in this case support the suggestion that this isn't a matter of a coach or player trying to take advantage of the situation for reasons of sport....except as it turns out, perhaps by the coach losing the player. While I have no issue with having transfer rules in place to address such transfer abuses, what I do have a problem with is the rigidity in application of a "one size fits all" consequences of ANY RULE regardless of the particular circumstances. While one might justify ones actions by the fact that the law/rule technically allows for it, IMHO one should by looking at what the intent of the law/rule was in determining what is the "right" way to act.

As you have alluded to, the rules were put in place as a result of unnecessary transfers merely to improve one's sporting prospects.
 
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mattj711 said:
Cornell looked good for this being the first game of the season. There was nothing Mazzotta could do about either Colgate goal. Sass had a phenomenal game in net for Colgate. Score could have been much worse without her. I believe shots were 64-12 (with 58 to 10 being the saves.)

I really liked what I saw out of the freshmen tonight. Saulnier is everything one could hope for in a freshman (minus the 5 minute major, which I didn't really see except for the aftermath of the Colgate player flying through her own net.) Fulton has very good skill, and Leck is also very solid.
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Posted the above in the scores thread, but thought I'd also post this here.

I liked the line combo's, which were as follows:

Saulnier Jenner Johnston
Karpenko White Fulton
Campbell Oglivie Leck
Cook (rotated through the lines)

Fortino Rougeau
Gagliardi Cudmore
Young

Barley-Maloney, Paulson and Hompe (who's still in soccer season) didn't play tonight.
 
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Jillian Saulnier was named one of the 3 ECAC Monthly Award Nominees for Oct. Jenner is ECAC Player of the Week and Saulnier, in her 1st week of NCAA play is ECAC Rookie of the week. Dartmouth goaltender, Lindsay Holdcroft is ECAC Goalie of the Week. Should be interesting when Cornell and Dartmouth face off with Cornell missing 4 players next weekend!
 
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pakidnyc said:
Should be interesting when Cornell and Dartmouth face off with Cornell missing 4 players next weekend!
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:confused: Cornell is off next weekend and Dartmouth is playing at home vs UNH.
 
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