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Cops: No Snarky Nor Positive Title

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MichVandal said:
Maybe- that's what I thought when I first saw it. But that was also quickly replaced with the thought- what if what was a white teenager? Would they have shot, or physically tired to intervene?

That's where we are now- thinking of the REALLY obvious difference of treatment of white people doing worse things. That recent pull over in MN where the guy dragged a cop, when he was armed- did any cop even have their gun drawn? Or the whole Jan 6 debacle where cops were beaten to death- and there was a single shot fired the whole day.

So while it may have been justified- would a white teenager still be alive today under the exact same conditions?
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I don't think any cops were beaten to death on January 6.
 
MichVandal said:
I understand that.

But would they have reacted differently if she was white? I'm honest here. We've seen so many examples of the massive difference in reaction for white v black- it really makes me ask that question. This is where we are now- questioning the reaction. Even if the reaction can be easily justified.
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Probably. That doesn't mean what they did wasn't the right decision though.

There are degrees to this thing, and right now we need to focus on the people being assaulted/killed unjustifiably. We have to worry about the big stuff before we go deeper into the nuanced issues.
 
Scarlet said:
I hear that, but still, if they shoot and miss and hit the car, the girl stops, in my opinion. And you can shoot for her torso and still hit an area that won't result in death.
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I know you mean well in posing these questions, but hopefully you'll come to understand all that entails a cop pulling a firearm and firing off rounds that not only could be, but are MEANT to be deadly. If an officer fires his or her weapon and misses but strikes a car, where is that round going to end up? Embedded in the fender or tire or roof of the vehicle? Hopefully. Or is it going to bounce off and end up in some innocent bystander's forehead? When John Hinckley shot Reagan in 1981 the injury to Reagan came from a round that bounced off the presidential limo and struck Reagan under his armpit. He nearly died, and it was only that he he was in a top-notch trauma center not 10 minutes after being shot that he survived. It simply isn't realistic or even desirable to have the police behave as you say when it comes to them using deadly force.

Is there systemic racism in the system that leads to people of color being killed without justification? Absolutely. In fact I think in the majority of cases where race is a present factor systemic racism is at play. And remember I say this as someone who is one of the most consistent (and vitriolic) cop bashers on this board. But I also understand firearms and what it means to shoot one. I wish every cop out there was capable of always hitting their target in such a way as to stop the threat but leave the person alive. But that is 100% unrealistic. We must go about solving the problems in other ways.
 
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SJHovey said:
No. There was not a cop crushed to death either on January 6.
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Ok, cops were assaulted, they were sprayed with pepper sprays of various types- and it takes less than that for a black person to be shot. Unless you honestly think a black man could have beaten a cop with a hockey stick and cops around him would not fight back....

If you are trying to pretend that the reaction on Jan 6 for all of those white people would have been exactly the same had they been black- you are part of the problem- so at least go along with that premise. All you need to do to SEE that is how protests were dealt with during the summer compared to that.

Correcting to pretending that the stroke that the cop had was going to happen anyway is rather insane. And just adds to the imbalance that is pretty clear to the rest of us how white people are treated by the cops than anyone with any kind of skin tone.

So just stop.
 
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Handyman said:
Probably. That doesn't mean what they did wasn't the right decision though.

There are degrees to this thing, and right now we need to focus on the people being assaulted/killed unjustifiably. We have to worry about the big stuff before we go deeper into the nuanced issues.
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I disagree. This isn't nuanced, this is a big question if even the basic action would have been different. I am to the point that I ask that even in what seems to be an justified use of a gun.

Just a few weeks ago, a black man was forced from his truck because the cops must have thought he didn't deserve to own one. And a cop decided that using a real weapon was justified in dealing with a black man trying to get away- when the exact same situation with a ARMED white guy, nothing happened- they let him run and caught up with him later. Armed with a gun in the cab within reach- they let him go. But a fleeing black person was targeted with what was supposed to be a taser. That alone is massively different.

So would the cop have done anything different, even to the point of risking the people around by shooting, if they were white?

Right or wrong isn't the question.
 
MichVandal said:
I have not seen the video that closely- but it's interesting that the cop can't shoot in the leg, but can when a second person is that close. If they can't hit a leg at short range, what's to say they won't hit the other person? Risky shot.

And I STILL understand that it's most likely to be justifiable- I really understand that. But I STILL question if they would have reacted differently had the girl been white. Would they have taken a chance hitting a bystander?
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Watch the video again. If it was my daughter on the other end of the knife, I'd have asked why it took so long to shoot. Regardless of who was attacking her.

I know that's a shameless appeal to emotion. But I'll stand by it.
 
MichVandal said:
Ok, cops were assaulted, they were sprayed with pepper sprays of various types- and it takes less than that for a black person to be shot. Unless you honestly think a black man could have beaten a cop with a hockey stick and cops around him would not fight back....

If you are trying to pretend that the reaction on Jan 6 for all of those white people would have been exactly the same had they been black- you are part of the problem- so at least go along with that premise. All you need to do to SEE that is how protests were dealt with during the summer compared to that.

Correcting to pretending that the stroke that the cop had was going to happen anyway is rather insane. And just adds to the imbalance that is pretty clear to the rest of us how white people are treated by the cops than anyone with any kind of skin tone.

So just stop.
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I wasn't trying to pretend anything. Just pointing out that you guys are incorrect. No cop got shot. No cop got beaten to death. I realize that real facts don't matter to the circle jerk club, but I tend to think they're important.
 
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MichVandal said:
Ok, cops were assaulted, they were sprayed with pepper sprays of various types- and it takes less than that for a black person to be shot. Unless you honestly think a black man could have beaten a cop with a hockey stick and cops around him would not fight back....

If you are trying to pretend that the reaction on Jan 6 for all of those white people would have been exactly the same had they been black- you are part of the problem- so at least go along with that premise. All you need to do to SEE that is how protests were dealt with during the summer compared to that.

Correcting to pretending that the stroke that the cop had was going to happen anyway is rather insane. And just adds to the imbalance that is pretty clear to the rest of us how white people are treated by the cops than anyone with any kind of skin tone.

So just stop.
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But see, its society and the media who are responsible for all this dis-unity and hatred in the country.

Not dumbass apologists like Hovey who will come up with any and all excuses to justify the killing of unarmed black people, because, you know, that's just the way things go. The sensible, common sense wisdom of the midwestern dooshbag.
 
SJHovey said:
I wasn't trying to pretend anything. Just pointing out that you guys are incorrect. No cop got shot. No cop got beaten to death. I realize that real facts don't matter to the circle jerk club, but I tend to think they're important.
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No, you're nitpicking and quibbling, just so you can appear above the fray of partisan politics, and all superior-like.

You should get together with Sic and buy him a beer, and talk about how great the two of you are.
 
Scarlet said:
And you can shoot for her torso and still hit an area that won't result in death.
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Maybe in Hollywood, but not in real life. I would dare say an Olympic gold medalist couldn't do that with any certainty, let alone your average cop.
 
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