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Cops: No Snarky Nor Positive Title

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Kepler said:
1. That cop is going to jail forever.

2. The guy shooting the video, and everybody in future, needs to keep the people in frame at all times. Can't ever let the cops have any opportunity to claim the video is compromised.

2.5 Come on, son. Landscape not profile.

3. The person who passed on the video should not have commented or paused the video at any time. Again, can't give The Brotherhood any wiggle room.

I wonder how many millions of black people white cops have out and out murdered in the US? More than 1?

More than 10?

End the Right.
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Yes absolutely. You gotta think like you're documenting a crime in progress. Details are incredibly important.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
You gotta think like you're documenting a crime in progress.
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Because you are.

Every person anywhere near anything going down with cops ought to be filming them and sending that footage straight to the cloud in case the very-easily-thinkable happens.

The fact that these fucks are always "accidentally" turning off their cams, which they still control, tells you they are as terrified of oversight as the Tysons chicken plant is of the FDA and OSHA.

The cops should welcome it, as it will vindicate them if they had real cause to use deadly force.

Yet they fear it. Huh. Wonder why.
 
NDhockey is starting to sound like a fundy.funny..

As for The Ring...I wired mine so no battery issue :^)
 
SJHovey said:
This is what you see in the video.

First, as noted by others, the person filming the incident does a horrible job. Good portions of the video are simply footage of the grass and sidewalk at the feet of the operator of the cellphone camera.

When they bother to point the camera at the incident in question, you see a white, male cop essentially wrestling with a black, male detainee.

The footage (again, that we can see) basically shows the cop trying to wrestle the black male to the ground, pretty much unsuccessfully. It's three plus minutes of hand to hand combat. The cop makes at least one command to stop fighting him. Part way through the footage you hear what sounds like a taser being discharged (the narrator, whoever that is, seems to confirm this). You then hear multiple commands from the cop to the black male demanding that he let go of the taser, as they continue to wrestle.

The final footage shows the black male on his hands and knees, with the cop on the man's back, and the cop reaches to his holster to grab his gun, and fires.

I'm not certain anyone is going to jail for this incident.
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Hand to hand combat?!?!?!?!??!!? The dude isn't really fighting back or doing anything to the cop at all, just refusing to be tackled. I can't imagine why someone wouldn't want to end up face down with a cop on his back...
That guy is a straight up murderer. Defending him even a little is disgusting.
 
jerphisch said:
Hand to hand combat?!?!?!?!??!!? The dude isn't really fighting back or doing anything to the cop at all, just refusing to be tackled. I can't imagine why someone wouldn't want to end up face down with a cop on his back...
That guy is a straight up murderer. Defending him even a little is disgusting.
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However you want to analyze the cop's decision to shoot the man, the perp was 100% fully resisting arrest and you don't get to minimize that aspect just because you don't like the eventual outcome. No this is not me defending the cop shooting him.
 
Slap Shot said:
However you want to analyze the cop's decision to shoot the man, the perp was 100% fully resisting arrest and you don't get to minimize that aspect just because you don't like the eventual outcome. No this is not me defending the cop shooting him.
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He's trying to run away. He isn't trying to harm the cop.

If you are such a bad cop your choices comes down to letting a man run against using deadly force, let him go.

How hard is this to understand?

Your poor SAT scores and substandard virility do not grant you the power of life or death.
 
Kepler said:
He's trying to run away. He isn't trying to harm the cop.

If you are such a bad cop your choices comes down to letting a man run against using deadly force, let him go.

How hard is this to understand?

Your poor SAT scores and substandard virility do not grant you the power of life or death.
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I work in a field that’s inherently more dangerous than being a police officer. We’re trained how to properly restrain patients to keep both their safety and ours the top priority, assuming they become dangerous enough to warrant being restrained in the first place. If at any point during the hold the patient is in an unsafe position, we let them go. If they warrant being restrained again, we try again. If they’re calmer, or they walk/run away, we don’t chase them down and restrain them. It’s a constant assessment of the situation. I’d get fired on the spot for excessive force against a patient, not least of which because most of them are children/adolescents. My leeway for force is far narrower than for police officers, and yet I likely have more instances on a daily basis where I may need to use it.
For this officer, non-lethal force could have been used, especially once he gained the upper hand and was on top of the dude.
 
I unfortunately watched the video and saw an athletic football player build person with a cop on his back trying to hold him down. Cop yells to drop the tazer, dude does a pushup to get the cop off him, and gets a round point blank to the back of the skull. Cop then locks eyes with the videographer knowing this was captured in 4K.




As for doorbells, I don't like the Ring "cool down timer" where once a motion has triggered it, another event doesn't cause a new recording to start for a couple minutes. (Example, I walk up to the door, peek in the window, walk away. Ring alerts and starts recording for the initial walk up and sees me walk away. What it didn't record or alert to was the follow up where half a minute later I walk back up to the door and kick it in.)

My wife and I have Nest (now Google) and I pay for the 5 day continuous video recording. And we love that we can go back throughout those five days and make a short or long of a clip for any event we want.

I do believe Ring has a similar continuous record mode though, so it just goes to whom you trust more with your data. I'm already pretty deep with Google, so I'm fine with keeping Nest.
 
aparch said:
I unfortunately watched the video and saw an athletic football player build person with a cop on his back trying to hold him down. Cop yells to drop the tazer, dude does a pushup to get the cop off him, and gets a round point blank to the back of the skull. Cop then locks eyes with the videographer knowing this was captured in 4K.
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At that moment I was sincerely worried for the person with the cam. Killers don't like evidence they can't, you know, "analyze."
 
Slap Shot said:
However you want to analyze the cop's decision to shoot the man, the perp was 100% fully resisting arrest and you don't get to minimize that aspect just because you don't like the eventual outcome. No this is not me defending the cop shooting him.
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This was all started about a questionable tag on a car, right? Why in the world do we need to apprehend the driver in a manner where he's cuffed up or taken to jail? What arrest was being resisted???? When does a tag violation turn into an arrest????

We let perpetual drunk drivers back on the road to kill people, and this case he needs to use any force for a simple freaking tag? Seriously?

Let him run, take the car. The loss of the car will be punishment enough.

There was zero reason this needed to be escalated beyond giving a ticket, and if he ran away, take the car.

And then to the "resist arrest" concept- do people really expect complete submission? That the driver would totally accept being arrested and taken someplace just for a freaking tag? He was just trying to run- let him, what's the loss?
 
MichVandal said:
This was all started about a questionable tag on a car, right? Why in the world do we need to apprehend the driver in a manner where he's cuffed up or taken to jail? What arrest was being resisted???? When does a tag violation turn into an arrest????

We let perpetual drunk drivers back on the road to kill people, and this case he needs to use any force for a simple freaking tag? Seriously?

Let him run, take the car. The loss of the car will be punishment enough.

There was zero reason this needed to be escalated beyond giving a ticket, and if he ran away, take the car.

And then to the "resist arrest" concept- do people really expect complete submission? That the driver would totally accept being arrested and taken someplace just for a freaking tag? He was just trying to run- let him, what's the loss?
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Cause he didn’t respect mah author-ah-tai!!! Back the blue!!!
 
Kepler said:
At that moment I was sincerely worried for the person with the cam. Killers don't like evidence they can't, you know, "analyze."
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Same.

A couple days ago I saw a Tweet that said multiple shots were fired; so while viewing that footage last night, when the cop locked eyes I though "oh my God the cop is going to fire at him too."
 
MichVandal said:
This was all started about a questionable tag on a car, right? Why in the world do we need to apprehend the driver in a manner where he's cuffed up or taken to jail? What arrest was being resisted???? When does a tag violation turn into an arrest????

We let perpetual drunk drivers back on the road to kill people, and this case he needs to use any force for a simple freaking tag? Seriously?

Let him run, take the car. The loss of the car will be punishment enough.

There was zero reason this needed to be escalated beyond giving a ticket, and if he ran away, take the car.

And then to the "resist arrest" concept- do people really expect complete submission? That the driver would totally accept being arrested and taken someplace just for a freaking tag? He was just trying to run- let him, what's the loss?
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Why can't you address what I wrote?

Its very well possible the situation should have never graduated to a struggle in the first place but that's a different topic.

To be clear I lean towards the argument the cop is guilty of a crime here and very possibly murder.
 
aparch said:
I unfortunately watched the video and saw an athletic football player build person with a cop on his back trying to hold him down. Cop yells to drop the tazer, dude does a pushup to get the cop off him, and gets a round point blank to the back of the skull. Cop then locks eyes with the videographer knowing this was captured in 4K.




As for doorbells, I don't like the Ring "cool down timer" where once a motion has triggered it, another event doesn't cause a new recording to start for a couple minutes. (Example, I walk up to the door, peek in the window, walk away. Ring alerts and starts recording for the initial walk up and sees me walk away. What it didn't record or alert to was the follow up where half a minute later I walk back up to the door and kick it in.)

My wife and I have Nest (now Google) and I pay for the 5 day continuous video recording. And we love that we can go back throughout those five days and make a short or long of a clip for any event we want.

I do believe Ring has a similar continuous record mode though, so it just goes to whom you trust more with your data. I'm already pretty deep with Google, so I'm fine with keeping Nest.
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I dont have a cool down timer on mine...I know this because in the summer a spider always sets it off like 5 times a night usually back to back unless I turn off notifications for an hour.
 
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