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Cops: No Snarky Nor Positive Title

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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Yeah I truly just don’t see cop as a moonlighting job for most. But, maybe there’s a larger group than we know.
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Yeah I agree. I can see a security-like position, but I would have to imagine the standards to be hired as a cop would have to be very low for a physician to be able to swing it. Or one would have to be a cop before becoming a physician (I do not think I know someone like that).
 
Swansong said:
I was about to post this (minus the first-hand experience, obviously). I don't know if an average hospitalist makes crazy money as well.


And how do residents have time to do much of anything? I thought they worked you guys 24/7? :-)
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One last post on the topic.

Based on this, the median is $200k for an entry level doc (which I'm guessing includes all locations and every kind of doc: family, internists and specialists, as well as surgeons - so it probably skews high). I've seen other sources that say average (as opposed to median in the link) starting salary is $170k-$180k, which may be more accurate for general practice.

Edit: CHanged the wording to be more accurate
 
Swansong said:
I was about to post this (minus the first-hand experience, obviously). I don't know if an average hospitalist makes crazy money as well.


And how do residents have time to do much of anything? I thought they worked you guys 24/7? :-)
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Yeah it all depends on where you work and how much you work. Most large city positions do not pay as well a rural positions, large well known academic positions pay far less than less prestigious academic positions.

For residency, it depends on the specialty. We are limited, in general, to 80 hours a week averaged over a month. Many specialties (surgery, neurosurgery especially) are always at this limit and many break it regularly (the residents basically lie about their hours). It is a bad culture but it is what it is. At my medical school, they audited the residents parking patterns and found they were working 120 hours a week on average, all writing 80 hours on the dot on their documentation.

Other residencies or fellowships, may only work 60 or 70 hours a week, especially in the later years. That makes it easier to pick up an extra 6 hour shift at the end of the day (6PM to midnight admitting surplus patients). I worked at an infusion center on the weekends. I basically sat there, studied for boards, and the nurse would do everything (as they usually do). Every 4-5 sessions, I would be asked to see someone if they were having a reaction or something. Super chill and paid $50 an hour, basically to use my MD since many infusions require an MD to be on site, and no one in the group practice wanted to work weekends, so they paid a group of residents/fellows to do it.
 
I mean, if there was a fight, it's more than just possible it fell off.

guess we'll see tomorrow what constitutes a "fight"
 
If doorbell cams keep catching police murders I'll bet The Brotherhood lobbies to ban them, or impound the footage.

It is getting harder and hard to do killing in the name. Won't someone think of the real victims here?

In non-sarcastic news, what would happen if people just started uploading their doorcam footage the instant something like this happened? The cops have recourse to all the commercial closed circuit footage they can simply grab and selectively release or delete. Why not use the power of the people and make those coverups impossible?

Also: I'm going to get a doorbell cam (unrelated). Anybody have any good recommendations or warnings? And do I have to clear it with my HOA?
 
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Doorcam footage is often backed up to a cloud (and you can have it saved even longer with their add on services) so I don't see any way cops could protect themselves unless they get a new law written/decided by the SC which seems unlikely.

I have This One which I got on sale a few years back (they often are on sale during the year so keep tabs) and it works great and was super easy to install even for me and I am all thumbs.
 
Kepler said:
Also: I'm going to get a doorbell cam (unrelated). Anybody have any good recommendations or warnings? And do I have to clear it with my HOA?
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Like Handy, we have the Ring doorbell camera. It works great. In fact, sometimes it works a little too great, as I've had it set off by a boxelder bug walking across it. However, if you spend your time playing around with it and watching what is happening outside, you'll quickly kill the battery and have to recharge it, so that's a pain.

I primarily bought it not for security reasons, but because our house sits down at the end of a long, curvy street, but right in front of our house it makes a 90 degree left turn. It's been a neverending stream of young street racers who have not made the turn and then broken their front axel on the curb in front of our house, or ended up buried in a six foot snowbank. Before the Ring, I only got to witness the smoking wreckage, and never the actual event. Better than tv, sometimes.

As for the HOA question, you'd have to read your bylaws. I would be surprised if they are banned, but I'd look for things like reference to security cameras.
 
Seconding Ring. The current iteration (#4?) has good video quality, and it will also include the 10s before motion sets it off so you get a better idea of what is happening. You can tweak the motion areas and sensitivity so you don't wear out the battery too quickly. I know it says it can go 3-4 months, but we usually get 1.5 months out of it with decent motion sensitivity. You can get a second battery and have it charged for a hot swap that will take all of 2-3 minutes when necessary.
 
I'm not going anywhere near downtown Grand Rapids this afternoon.

There's the local and surrounding areas PD, the state PD, and the National Guard on deck just in case something happens.
 
From what I could see on the video:

Cop attempted to turn his cam off multiple times.

Had him subdued. Shot Lyoya in the back of the head.
 
1. That cop is going to jail forever.

2. The guy shooting the video, and everybody in future, needs to keep the people in frame at all times. Can't ever let the cops have any opportunity to claim the video is compromised.

2.5 Come on, son. Landscape not profile.

3. The person who passed on the video should not have commented or paused the video at any time. Again, can't give The Brotherhood any wiggle room.

I wonder how many millions of black people white cops have out and out murdered in the US? More than 1?

More than 10?

End the Right.
 
Doesn't one of the doorbell camera firms out there partner with hundreds of law enforcement agencies? Ring? That would be something I would want to avoid.
 
I won't watch the video because I will not watch someone being murdered. The sad part is if I or someone else who is legally entitled to carry a firearm and knows when and why to use it would have shot that cop in the head before he could shoot that victim in the head, we'd be the ones going to prison. At best. Yet for there to be true justice in the world, that is what should have happened. I don't know what that victim was accused of doing, or suspected of doing, that was against the law. But whatever it was, it wouldn't have seen him legally executed anywhere in the United States. Yet that is what happened. It seems that in that circumstance deadly force against the cop would have been justified. One person in that situation deserved to be shot so he would not murder someone who did not deserve to be shot.

You want to end the right Kep? Maybe we need to start shooting back.
 
WeAreNDHockey said:
I won't watch the video because I will not watch someone being murdered. The sad part is if I or someone else who is legally entitled to carry a firearm and knows when and why to use it would have shot that cop in the head before he could shoot that victim in the head, we'd be the ones going to prison. At best. Yet for there to be true justice in the world, that is what should have happened. I don't know what that victim was accused of doing, or suspected of doing, that was against the law. But whatever it was, it wouldn't have seen him legally executed anywhere in the United States. Yet that is what happened. It seems that in that circumstance deadly force against the cop would have been justified. One person in that situation deserved to be shot so he would not murder someone who did not deserve to be shot.

You want to end the right Kep? Maybe we need to start shooting back.
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I'm just saying, if you won't watch the video, how can you be personally certain that it wasn't justified? That's not too different than the average right wing fundy wanting to ban books they've never read because they simply know they're the devil's work.

The entire situation sucks. But the guy appeared to be resisting. So it'll come down to whether a jury believes he got a hold of the officer's taser and whether the officer reasonably believed his safety was at risk. (Edit: if it makes it that far).

This isn't George Floyd being pinned by 4 cops for 20 minutes. From the time the guy initially ran to the time the cop shot him was about 2 minutes, if that, and there was a struggle in there.

I sure as shit wouldn't want to be on that jury.
 
WeAreNDHockey said:
I won't watch the video because I will not watch someone being murdered. The sad part is if I or someone else who is legally entitled to carry a firearm and knows when and why to use it would have shot that cop in the head before he could shoot that victim in the head, we'd be the ones going to prison. At best. Yet for there to be true justice in the world, that is what should have happened. I don't know what that victim was accused of doing, or suspected of doing, that was against the law. But whatever it was, it wouldn't have seen him legally executed anywhere in the United States. Yet that is what happened. It seems that in that circumstance deadly force against the cop would have been justified. One person in that situation deserved to be shot so he would not murder someone who did not deserve to be shot.

You want to end the right Kep? Maybe we need to start shooting back.
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This is what you see in the video.

First, as noted by others, the person filming the incident does a horrible job. Good portions of the video are simply footage of the grass and sidewalk at the feet of the operator of the cellphone camera.

When they bother to point the camera at the incident in question, you see a white, male cop essentially wrestling with a black, male detainee.

The footage (again, that we can see) basically shows the cop trying to wrestle the black male to the ground, pretty much unsuccessfully. It's three plus minutes of hand to hand combat. The cop makes at least one command to stop fighting him. Part way through the footage you hear what sounds like a taser being discharged (the narrator, whoever that is, seems to confirm this). You then hear multiple commands from the cop to the black male demanding that he let go of the taser, as they continue to wrestle.

The final footage shows the black male on his hands and knees, with the cop on the man's back, and the cop reaches to his holster to grab his gun, and fires.

I'm not certain anyone is going to jail for this incident.
 
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WeAreNDHockey said:
You want to end the right Kep? Maybe we need to start shooting back.
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No, every time a lefty shoots a righty we get HURR TOUGH ON CRIME DURR from well scrubbed white suburbanites and a twenty year reign of paramilitary police violence.

We end the Right by dialing civil rights, social programs, and consumer protections up to 11. Repeal the last 40 years of fiscal policy. Shrink the upper class to the size where it can be drowned in a bathtub.

Without the rich using poor stupid whites as shock troops the latter will just fall back into their normal state of meth-addicted welfare dependency. And with a socially and economically just nation we can afford that. Just sling them into their hammock of indolence and let the productive 70% of us flourish. We'll throw them trucks and sofas with cupholders and botox for their wives and fake boobs for their daughters, and we'll give them cradle-to-grave mindless makework in the army. Ring their states with razorwire and let them sink into their death cult catatonia.
 
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