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Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

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5mn_Major said:
Guessing that as a rich, smart city we still haven't managed to put a dent in the problems of No Minneapolis.
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Don't think you would suggest this, but it's not realistic to expect a city/metro area of this size to not have pockets with adversity - even an area as strong as this one.

As far as diversity goes our kids had far more of it in their elem than I ever did and I think it prepped them well for the move here, although several trips to Thailand previously didn't hurt.
 
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Kepler said:
This is insane, BTW. Left or right I would hope everybody would recognize Obama has been the most dignified president since at least FDR, if not Wilson.

I can understand policy haters, but the man himself has been a model president. And yes I know in their time Adams, Jefferson and Madison were all targets of partisan brickbats, but pul-lease, people. We should be so lucky to have a hundred years of presidents and first spouses, left or right, who comport themselves with the personal and professional dignity of the Obamas.
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But they don't. I'm close to unfriending people on Facebook because of it. "He's disgusting!" was something I saw today. Huh? Seriously, I get being a member of a different party but some of the stuff out there today....just, wow. When/If Trump wins, I may become one of those posters that post every single stupid, idiotic thing he does or days. Can't be bothered now.
 
Scarlet said:
But they don't. I'm close to unfriending people on Facebook because of it. "He's disgusting!" was something I saw today. Huh? Seriously, I get being a member of a different party but some of the stuff out there today....just, wow. When/If Trump wins, I may become one of those posters that post every single stupid, idiotic thing he does or days. Can't be bothered now.
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Be thankful you don't live in a place where it is, sadly, a part of everyday life.
 
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Kepler said:
This is insane, BTW. Left or right I would hope everybody would recognize Obama has been the most dignified president since at least FDR, if not Wilson.

I can understand policy haters, but the man himself has been a model president. And yes I know in their time Adams, Jefferson and Madison were all targets of partisan brickbats, but pul-lease, people. We should be so lucky to have a hundred years of presidents and first spouses, left or right, who comport themselves with the personal and professional dignity of the Obamas.
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If you think constantly blaming your predecessor and doing a complete 180 on what you campaigned for makes you "dignified", then it's clear you're no better than the complainers.
 
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Kepler said:
This is insane, BTW. Left or right I would hope everybody would recognize Obama has been the most dignified president since at least FDR, if not Wilson.
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Allow me to argue one between FDR and Obama: Reagan.

As you say, policy aside, the man understood the stature and dignity of the office. When he was "at work" (office to state dinners) he was dressed for work and carried himself as the President. When he was on the ranch, sure, flannel shirt and jeans, but just the same you knew he was working on his ranch by how he was dressed and carried himself.

I have one knock with Mr. Obama: his lack of a tie (and even a jacket) at times. OK, that just made me very old school. Fine. And I get that it's an "image" thing at times; however, if you're the President, look like you're in charge.

I have a hard spot with media trying to get "gotcha" photos (like the recent Obama in a hotel gym in Poland).
 
The Sicatoka said:
Allow me to argue one between FDR and Obama: Reagan.

As you say, policy aside, the man understood the stature and dignity of the office. When he was "at work" (office to state dinners) he was dressed for work and carried himself as the President. When he was on the ranch, sure, flannel shirt and jeans, but just the same you knew he was working on his ranch by how he was dressed and carried himself.

I have one knock with Mr. Obama: his lack of a tie (and even a jacket) at times. OK, that just made me very old school. Fine. And I get that it's an "image" thing at times; however, if you're the President, look like you're in charge.

I have a hard spot with media trying to get "gotcha" photos (like the recent Obama in a hotel gym in Poland).
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Wait, so Reagan in jeans and flannel is presidential, but Obama isn't because he didn't have a tie on at some point? Really?
 
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unofan said:
Wait, so Reagan in jeans and flannel is presidential, but Obama isn't because he didn't have a tie on at some point? Really?
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You're missing the difference. Pres. Obama will drop the jacket and tie even though he's performing official functions while he's not on vacation, just to affect a look in order to connect with or play to an audience. When Pres. Reagan was performing official function, not on vacation, he always wore the jacket and tie regardless of the event or audience.
 
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unofan said:
Wait, so Reagan in jeans and flannel is presidential, but Obama isn't because he didn't have a tie on at some point? Really?
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Same could be said for when people stopped wearing hats... or when different styles change from time to time. Losing the tie seems to be a natural part of the evolution of dress when in the public eye.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Allow me to argue one between FDR and Obama: Reagan.

As you say, policy aside, the man understood the stature and dignity of the office. When he was "at work" (office to state dinners) he was dressed for work and carried himself as the President. When he was on the ranch, sure, flannel shirt and jeans, but just the same you knew he was working on his ranch by how he was dressed and carried himself.

I have one knock with Mr. Obama: his lack of a tie (and even a jacket) at times. OK, that just made me very old school. Fine. And I get that it's an "image" thing at times; however, if you're the President, look like you're in charge.

I have a hard spot with media trying to get "gotcha" photos (like the recent Obama in a hotel gym in Poland).
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Reagan was quite dignified as well, I will happily grant that. Whether it was his actual gravitas or his acting training, the man knew how to rise to a presidential occasion. If you turned the sound off while Reagan was speaking he was admirable. ;)

(I do admit your point.)

Obama being sans tie simply reflects the change of authority symbolism. "Looking like you're in charge" no longer means a tie, in fact in many lines of work a tie means someone with less on the ball is trying to fake their way to the table on something other than their skills. The idiot pimply-faced nephew of the owner always wears a tie. It's all he's got.

I'll give you an example of different cultures. I work in the defense industry and my boss (who is a personal friend of mine) comes from good ol' boy southern roots. To him, a "button down shirt" is the acme of authority. He insists I wear one whenever we are meeting with our customer because he wants me to be easily distinguishable as a managerial-level employee rather than a drone. Now, in my past life I worked for a tech startup right across the street from MIT. In that environment, if you wore "business formal" attire you were immediately dismissed as sales. The more prestige you carried, the less formal your garb, to the point that the couple geniuses (for real) we had in the company looked like homeless heroin addicts dressed them.

I think Obama is much more attuned to the younger west coast Silicon Valley / venture capital style of business than the older east coast lawyer / cigar-smoking politician style. Plus he can really rock biz casual. In a suit he looks like anybody else but in slacks and a simple shirt dude is a fox.
 
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Reagan was quite presidential. I'll leave it at that.
 
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