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Cops 3: Shoot low boys -- they're ridin' Shetland ponies!

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I know this is FOX, and if someone has a more complete story, I am definitely all ears, honestly.

Here's what many are dealing with. And you wonder why people aren't listening?

https://youtu.be/TmZ9F2A60Mw

Note: I will NOT associate this specifically with BLM, even though I have my differences with them.
 
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That's unacceptable, as much as I don't like Fox you can't be laying your hands on people.

That said they don't represent the majority.
 
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Not good. But there's no news here. Did we not know there were some BLM members that were that angry? Do we not know that there are some police that have abused their power and/or acted unjustly?

The video is a one sided look at the ugly in the situation. We can be reminded of either ugly side over and over. What we need are solutions...and whether one likes it or not, the goal of the protest is to try to secure that.
 
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Not good. But there's no news here. Did we not know there were some BLM members that were that angry? Do we not know that there are some police that have abused their power and/or acted unjustly?

The video is a one sided look at the ugly in the situation. We can be reminded of either ugly side over and over. What we need are solutions...and whether one likes it or not, the goal of the protest is to try to secure that.

Yes, that's the goal of the protest. However, the "movement" is alienating more and more people due to folks that we see in the video, the movement's methods of blocking highways, etc. Change the game plan, guys.
 
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Wait, so Reagan in jeans and flannel is presidential, but Obama isn't because he didn't have a tie on at some point? Really?

Reagan on his ranch, on vacation, wasn't "at work" (see original post). Like St. Clown said, you missed that.
 
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Yes, that's the goal of the protest. However, the "movement" is alienating more and more people due to folks that we see in the video, the movement's methods of blocking highways, etc. Change the game plan, guys.

I don't see folks looking for civil solutions in that video.

The 24-hour cable news cycle and the internet have put enough of that behavior out there on spectacle that certain demographics now believe that is how one behaves, aka "normal", when you're aggrieved. That is very disappointing.
 
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Yes, that's the goal of the protest. However, the "movement" is alienating more and more people due to folks that we see in the video, the movement's methods of blocking highways, etc. Change the game plan, guys.

This is true to a point, but you also have to keep in mind that Fox sends their people into these crowds to get this footage. Their viewers want to see black people as savages and BLM as a scary organization, so they go get 100 hours of film, take the 25 seconds where it gets ugly, and replay it on loop 24/7.

Richelieu said give me 6 lines any honest man has written and I'll find a reason to hang him. Agenda-driven media (on both sides) do exactly the same thing.
 
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Yes, that's the goal of the protest. However, the "movement" is alienating more and more people due to folks that we see in the video, the movement's methods of blocking highways, etc. Change the game plan, guys.

Pretty sure they've been doing the same thing all along and nothing has changed.
 
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You know...back in the day protests such as these (peaceful not violent) blocked traffic and got in people's faces too. At the time people said the same things you are saying now. Just some food for thought.
 
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You know...back in the day protests such as these (peaceful not violent) blocked traffic and got in people's faces too. At the time people said the same things you are saying now. Just some food for thought.

I was thinking about that the other day. The difference here is, in part, the police had been making a number of "symbolic arrests," as reported in the news, rather than straight up arresting people for prosecution, whereas back in MLK Jr.'s day, they were truly risking their freedom. Add to that, they were blocking city streets that could then be avoided. While blocking a city street will create an inconvenience for people, it will not create a 90-minute delay due to blocking a major interstate highway in the middle of rush hour traffic.

Also, the protests happening now are against a group of specific people deemed to be harming another through direct action, not against a system design with the intention of creating second class citizens. Far too many of us know officers who are working honestly, trying to be of true service to the communities employing them. Add to that, with the backlash seen against the police - snipers in Dallas and insults and verbal threats hurled by protestors - today's protestors come off as having less gravitas than those working with Dr. King. Those sorts of things were going, to a lesser degree, fifty years ago, but the movement had a defined leader denouncing such actions, calling for peaceful protests and a specific goal. Today's protestors have no great leader speaking out for peaceful resolutions, instead they just come off as an angry mob. The only leaders known to the nation at large have been highly suspect in their character over the past twenty or thirty years (Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc.), and the only calls for peace coming from the afflicted group are from random people showing up on the news, drowned out by the violence that's already happening.
 
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I was thinking about that the other day. The difference here is, in part, the police had been making a number of "symbolic arrests," as reported in the news, rather than straight up arresting people for prosecution, whereas back in MLK Jr.'s day, they were truly risking their freedom. Add to that, they were blocking city streets that could then be avoided. While blocking a city street will create an inconvenience for people, it will not create a 90-minute delay due to blocking a major interstate highway in the middle of rush hour traffic.

Also, the protests happening now are against a group of specific people deemed to be harming another through direct action, not against a system design with the intention of creating second class citizens. Far too many of us know officers who are working honestly, trying to be of true service to the communities employing them. Add to that, with the backlash seen against the police - snipers in Dallas and insults and verbal threats hurled by protestors - today's protestors come off as having less gravitas than those working with Dr. King. Those sorts of things were going, to a lesser degree, fifty years ago, but the movement had a defined leader denouncing such actions, calling for peaceful protests and a specific goal. Today's protestors have no great leader speaking out for peaceful resolutions, instead they just come off as an angry mob. The only leaders known to the nation at large have been highly suspect in their character over the past twenty or thirty years (Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc.), and the only calls for peace coming from the afflicted group are from random people showing up on the news, drowned out by the violence that's already happening.

Some good observations St. Clown, but 34 people died and over 40 mil in property damage occurred in the 1965 Watts riots, which were triggered by a black man being arrested for DWI. 43 people died in the 1967 Detroit race riots, which were triggered when police raided a bar. Over a thousand were injured, and 2000 buildings were destroyed.
I think that even those of us old enough to have protested in the late 60s tend to forget how violent those years were. 1968 alone (one year removed from the Summer of Love) was horrific. Much of the black community was already giving up on MLK's policy of change through nonviolence before he was assassinated. It wasn't just race, of course--there was the war. But those were very violent times.
 
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My dad was 18 in 1968. What I wouldn't give to have been in his shoes to watch that year unfold.

I love listening to him talk about growing up.
 
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I was thinking about that the other day. The difference here is, in part, the police had been making a number of "symbolic arrests," as reported in the news, rather than straight up arresting people for prosecution, whereas back in MLK Jr.'s day, they were truly risking their freedom. Add to that, they were blocking city streets that could then be avoided. While blocking a city street will create an inconvenience for people, it will not create a 90-minute delay due to blocking a major interstate highway in the middle of rush hour traffic.

Also, the protests happening now are against a group of specific people deemed to be harming another through direct action, not against a system design with the intention of creating second class citizens. Far too many of us know officers who are working honestly, trying to be of true service to the communities employing them. Add to that, with the backlash seen against the police - snipers in Dallas and insults and verbal threats hurled by protestors - today's protestors come off as having less gravitas than those working with Dr. King. Those sorts of things were going, to a lesser degree, fifty years ago, but the movement had a defined leader denouncing such actions, calling for peaceful protests and a specific goal. Today's protestors have no great leader speaking out for peaceful resolutions, instead they just come off as an angry mob. The only leaders known to the nation at large have been highly suspect in their character over the past twenty or thirty years (Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc.), and the only calls for peace coming from the afflicted group are from random people showing up on the news, drowned out by the violence that's already happening.

I'm not quite sure of the points you're trying to make, but I have a difference of opinion on a couple of things in this post.

People who performed acts of civil disobedience in the days of MLK may have been truly risking their freedom in a manner different from those protesting today, but I assure you people were just as inconvenienced then as they are today. An interstate can be avoided often just like any other street. I listen to traffic reports that are computer aided every morning and consult a GPS today to avoid potential disruptions in traffic, things that were not even available in MLK's day. Just last week in Cleveland the traffic reports included news of protesters marching across the Carnegie Ave bridge heading towards downtown Cleveland. Occasionally I take Carnegie home from work if I feel like avoiding the interstates out of downtown Cleveland. Hearing that I could have avoided it. In 1963 I doubt I would have been so informed.

As well, I think it is misreading the protests as people being upset with an individual cop killing an individual law abiding citizen. The BLM movement is a movement because they feel the system has failed them, not a bunch of individuals. I dare say most in the BLM would indeed say that blacks ARE being treated as second class citizens if they cannot do things like exercise their right to bear arms without being shot down for it. Just like people today know a lot of cops who ARE doing good works in their communities people in civil rights movements in an earlier era knew there were police officers and others who were only interested in protecting their communities and finding ways to make them safer or more peaceful. MLK often spoke specifically about police brutality directed at black individuals.

I do agree that better leaders are needed today than what often fills the void. That's true of the entire spectrum of political leadership though, not just those seeking more justice for minorities. Look at our major, realistic choices for president this time around. We either elect a president who is doomed to likely failure and who is most probably as corrupt and conniving a presidential contender as we've seen in generations, or we elect a megalomaniac reality TV huckster who lost more money than he's made despite claims of business brilliance who will more likely lead the world to the greatest horrors since the 1940s than to any sort of renewed prosperity. If the BLM movement was the only social or political movement with leaders ill-equipped to lead, the world would be a much saner and safer place.
 
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I was thinking about that the other day. The difference here is, in part, the police had been making a number of "symbolic arrests," as reported in the news, rather than straight up arresting people for prosecution, whereas back in MLK Jr.'s day, they were truly risking their freedom. Add to that, they were blocking city streets that could then be avoided. While blocking a city street will create an inconvenience for people, it will not create a 90-minute delay due to blocking a major interstate highway in the middle of rush hour traffic.

Also, the protests happening now are against a group of specific people deemed to be harming another through direct action, not against a system design with the intention of creating second class citizens. Far too many of us know officers who are working honestly, trying to be of true service to the communities employing them. Add to that, with the backlash seen against the police - snipers in Dallas and insults and verbal threats hurled by protestors - today's protestors come off as having less gravitas than those working with Dr. King. Those sorts of things were going, to a lesser degree, fifty years ago, but the movement had a defined leader denouncing such actions, calling for peaceful protests and a specific goal. Today's protestors have no great leader speaking out for peaceful resolutions, instead they just come off as an angry mob. The only leaders known to the nation at large have been highly suspect in their character over the past twenty or thirty years (Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc.), and the only calls for peace coming from the afflicted group are from random people showing up on the news, drowned out by the violence that's already happening.

They seem that way now, we will see how history remembers them. Things always look different in hindsight.

Note: I am not defending them or ripping them, just saying lots of the people who whined back then sounded awfully similar to the people complaiinng about BLM now.
 
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This is true to a point, but you also have to keep in mind that Fox sends their people into these crowds to get this footage. Their viewers want to see black people as savages and BLM as a scary organization, so they go get 100 hours of film, take the 25 seconds where it gets ugly, and replay it on loop 24/7.

Richelieu said give me 6 lines any honest man has written and I'll find a reason to hang him. Agenda-driven media (on both sides) do exactly the same thing.

That's why I sadly mentioned that it was Fox. And I know how the modern media works (both sides) and it's sad (I often rip CNN on Tweeter/other social media). However, that doesn't excuse this behavior.

BLM, at first, was to me "Ok, cool, standing for a cause." Now? Due to their methods and general lack of distancing themselves from the radicals associating with the group? Go * yourselves.
 
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BLM, at first, was to me "Ok, cool, standing for a cause." Now? Due to their methods and general lack of distancing themselves from the radicals associating with the group? Go * yourselves.

Except that perception may have been manufactured in Roger Ailes' morning editorial meetings. If Fox had been around when MLK was marching they would have presented a narrative of communist trouble-makers and east coast pointy heads threatening to deflower real 'Merican maidenhood with their black muscle, and their audience would have bought it.

Media can paint any picture they want. I recommend going to the BLM website and reading their own declaration of what they are about. Now obviously that is also agenda-driven, but I think it can be used to counter a lot of trash that's put out there by the MSM.
 
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Except that perception may have been manufactured in Roger Ailes' morning editorial meetings. If Fox had been around when MLK was marching they would have presented a narrative of communist trouble-makers and east coast pointy heads threatening to deflower real 'Merican maidenhood with their black muscle, and their audience would have bought it.

Media can paint any picture they want. I recommend going to the BLM website and reading their own declaration of what they are about. Now obviously that is also agenda-driven, but at least it can be used to counter a lot of trash that's put out there by the MSM.

I don't watch Fox. I don't get Fox. I get CNN and CNN only. My observations are from the Star Tribune (Twin Cities paper, major liberal), CNN (liberal), local Fox (conservative, but IMO mostly neutral) and general internet links (mixed).
 
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