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Cooperstown 2013 - who's in?

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dxmnkd316 said:
Can't.

Look, I think reasonable minds can disagree on the issue of steroids. I don't think I'm going to convince you, and you aren't going to convince me.
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All I'm saying is how can the writers sit on their high horse about steroids and in the hall they are trying to protect, the same group (baseball writers, granted the group has changed) has elected gaylord perry.
 
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I can't defend Perry's selection (especially since I didn't see him play). But just because they were wrong about him doesn't mean they can't be correct about steroids.
 
Re: Cooperstown 2013 - who's in?

dxmnkd316 said:
I can't defend Perry's selection (especially since I didn't see him play). But just because they were wrong about him doesn't mean they can't be correct about steroids.
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(Fergie) Jenkins and (Gaylord)Perry would have been locks for Cooperstown if they had been judged as Ruth, Drysdale and Ford were—simply on the basis of performance. Jenkins and Perry will be eligible again next year. Let’s hope the many voters who this year refused to vote for them on moral grounds will include them on their ballots in 1990.
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– Peter Gammons, Sports Illustrated, January 23, 1989
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
how does gambling as a manager change the fact that Pete Rose has over 4000 hits as a player?
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It doesn't. Although baseball remembers that gamblers came this close to killing the game. As I've said, Rose and his 4,000 hits will and should be in the hall. Only after he's gone.
 
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Greyeagle said:
One of the pitches he threw in 1979 is almost to the plate by now. ;)
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That great line got me to thinking about Phil Regan. He came over to the Cubs after his long career with the Dodgers. On one occasion he was caught in a rundown between 3rd and home. After he was tagged out, the umpire found a tube of slippery elm that had fallen out of his uniform! Oops.

And Joe Niekro. "Emery board? What emery board? Oh, that emery board."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo_u4pMAlx0
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I can't defend Perry's selection (especially since I didn't see him play). But just because they were wrong about him doesn't mean they can't be correct about steroids.
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Whatever you say about his pitching, on July 20, 1969, Gaylord Perry fulfilled Alvin Dark's prophesy of "They'll put a man on the moon before he hits a home run."

They did
He did.
 
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joecct said:
Whatever you say about his pitching, on July 20, 1969, Gaylord Perry fulfilled Alvin Dark's prophesy of "They'll put a man on the moon before he hits a home run."

They did
He did.
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Hahahahaha, ok, that's pretty brilliant.
 
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Cheating in baseball has always been a big joke, no one ever cared, until steroids. Corked bats, pine tar, spit balls, sand paper in the glove, stealing signs, leaded and unleaded coffee and other use of amphetamines, cocaine, all things that effect the game and all of those are just hilarious. But for some reason steroids are a serious issue to keep people out of the hall, why is that?
 
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jerphisch said:
Cheating in baseball has always been a big joke, no one ever cared, until steroids. Corked bats, pine tar, spit balls, sand paper in the glove, stealing signs, leaded and unleaded coffee and other use of amphetamines, cocaine, all things that effect the game and all of those are just hilarious. But for some reason steroids are a serious issue to keep people out of the hall, why is that?
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Well, during the time Bonds was using "the cream" and "the clear" both his shoe size and hat size increased! Bonds went from having a normal athletic physique to being built like a failed experiment on the island of Dr. Mabuse. That extra muscle didn't improve his batting eye, of course, but it may have had some impact on his ability to drive the ball once he made contact. Only steroids can do that to an athlete's body.
 
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jerphisch said:
Cheating in baseball has always been a big joke, no one ever cared, until steroids. Corked bats, pine tar, spit balls, sand paper in the glove, stealing signs, leaded and unleaded coffee and other use of amphetamines, cocaine, all things that effect the game and all of those are just hilarious. But for some reason steroids are a serious issue to keep people out of the hall, why is that?
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They cared about "Shoeless" Joe Jackson in 1919.
 
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