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College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons

Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons

The NCAA ought to just hire the 12 guys who work at Yahoo as their investigative staff. They find out a hell of a lot more than the all-powerful NCAA.
 
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It would be more interesting to contrast the study with students who are on full ride scholarships from the University, and are attending school via "some" merit. Especially if they are representing and making money for the school.

that would be more relevant than comparing to the general student body.

I'd like to better understand the definition of 'the same criminal record'.
I agree that the implication with football players is that they are typically on 100% scholarship and, on average, are given admissions criteria help as well. So, schools are bringing kids in and spending $50+K a year on tuition, room, board etc. to see them end up in court. I'd also point out that even in this age of transparency, I believe athletes have far more chance of not getting charged, getting charges reduced or getting them to disappear via pre-trial or post-trial 'requirements'.

It seems they are assuming that the types of crimes athletes are charged with are equal to the types of crimes committed by all students. Now, I guess there may be more notoriety to an athlete getting charged and maybe the average student body also beats their girlfriends, but I don't think the average student is doing the Lawrence Phillips routine and staying in college.

Lastly, the use of averages, as in 4% of all athletes is not the point of the SI article. I don't think they were trying to paint Stanford with the same brush as Pitt. If Pitt had 85 players on schalarship then it was a lot more than 4% that were involved in crimes(22 of 85). Iowa had more than 4% this year. Penn State has as well in recent years. Maybe the intent was to point out the national average, I thought it was to point out programs with far higher percentages. I don't know that any team had 0 issues, that would be unlikely with 85 athletes but 22 in one year shouldn't be excused away with national averages.

My guess is the writer is an alum of one of the schools highlighted.
 
Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons

The NCAA ought to just hire the 12 guys who work at Yahoo as their investigative staff. They find out a hell of a lot more than the all-powerful NCAA.

Well in the NCAAs defense, they are only blind to all this because they tape their eyes shut ;)
 
Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons

Ohio State has called a press conf. for 7pm regarding Jim Tressel. Some rumblings that his job may be in jeopardy.
 
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Ohio State has called a press conf. for 7pm regarding Jim Tressel. Some rumblings that his job may be in jeopardy.

Yeah. Right. Deny Deny Deny will be the order of the day. Orville Reddenbacher is not going to fire Tressel or his AD.
 
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Ohio State has called a press conf. for 7pm regarding Jim Tressel. Some rumblings that his job may be in jeopardy.

I predict a stern warning, and that "future events" bla bla bla. They will pretend that this is serious, but we all know that keeping the fan base happy and winning is a higher priority.

If RR had a dominant record up here, I'm sure more effort would have taken place to brush bad things under the rug, too.

The Sweater will pretend this is bad, and that he's full of integrity. But it will be just like the guy formerly known as a running back from ohio. Big deal.... we win, we win.
 
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Report says that Trussel knew that Ohio State players were selling that stuff months before Ohio State officially found out.

Seriously? They're still stuck on this? I want Tressel to get exposed for the dirty coach I think he is, but this is silly.
 
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Seriously? They're still stuck on this? I want Tressel to get exposed for the dirty coach I think he is, but this is silly.

Eh, lying to NCAA investigators is the one way you'll actually get in trouble. See Bryant, Dez and Pearl, Bruce.
 
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Yeah. Right. Deny Deny Deny will be the order of the day. Orville Reddenbacher is not going to fire Tressel or his AD.

LAWL. Two game suspension vs. Toledo and Akron and a $250k fine.

Bruce Pearl is envious and wonders why the SEC hammered him harder for doing what everyone in that conference does.
 
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And in the middle of all this, Ryan Mallet is close to finishing his 40-yard dash. 5.37 sec? Are you kidding me?
 
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And in the middle of all this, Ryan Mallet is close to finishing his 40-yard dash. 5.37 sec? Are you kidding me?

I think I saw someone say Brady ran a 5.23 or something. Embarrassing, but probably not a huge deal.
 
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LAWL. Two game suspension vs. Toledo and Akron and a $250k fine.

Bruce Pearl is envious and wonders why the SEC hammered him harder for doing what everyone in that conference does.

See, OSU IS serious this time. I mean TWO MAC teams don't get to see the sweater! That's important.... They mean it.

Next time they will REALLY mean it....
 
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40 times are vastly overrated.
 
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LAWL. Two game suspension vs. Toledo and Akron and a $250k fine.

Bruce Pearl is envious and wonders why the SEC hammered him harder for doing what everyone in that conference does.
Yeah not really surprising. I was hoping for more.
 
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As if we didn't already know this, it's nice to see Tressel exposed as scum.
 
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See, OSU IS serious this time. I mean TWO MAC teams don't get to see the sweater! That's important.... They mean it.

Next time they will REALLY mean it....
Let me ask you in all sincerity: What would the appropriate self-imposed sanction be?

Suppose you're the Director of Compliance, and the AD asks you to make a recommendation. But note that the University doesn't want anything more severe than the NCAA would impose. Also remember that you're not a member of an independent judiciary. The University is your employer, so your hands are partially tied.

Still, the AD wants you to come up with a proposed punishment that the NCAA won't add on to. If the NCAA decides you were too lenient, that's another PR hit for the University. So you're assignment is fairly straightforward. Just get it exactly right on the first try.

From your post, it's obvious you think that the proposed self-sanction is laughably inadequate. I'll infer that you believe that the NCAA will be much harsher, or at least should be.

Anyone can throw a brick. Take it to the next level and tell us what should have been done.

Lest anyone think I'm being too hard on alfablue, please be aware that I know him personally. He is fully capable of the more sophisticated response if he decides to play along.
 
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Let me ask you in all sincerity: What would the appropriate self-imposed sanction be?

Suppose you're the Director of Compliance, and the AD asks you to make a recommendation. But note that the University doesn't want anything more severe than the NCAA would impose. Also remember that you're not a member of an independent judiciary. The University is your employer, so your hands are partially tied.

Still, the AD wants you to come up with a proposed punishment that the NCAA won't add on to. If the NCAA decides you were too lenient, that's another PR hit for the University. So you're assignment is fairly straightforward. Just get it exactly right on the first try.

From your post, it's obvious you think that the proposed self-sanction is laughably inadequate. I'll infer that you believe that the NCAA will be much harsher, or at least should be.

Anyone can throw a brick. Take it to the next level and tell us what should have been done.

Lest anyone think I'm being too hard on alfablue, please be aware that I know him personally. He is fully capable of the more sophisticated response if he decides to play along.

Easy- the coach should have met the same suspensions as the players did. that would have been much more significant. Moreso if the players leave, as expected.

Being suspended for patsy games against in state teams doesn't amount to much- he misses two blow outs at the stadium, but gets to be involved with the week of practice.

I'm ignoring the hypocracy of the rules- I can see that player should be able to do what they want with things, but can also see that "gifts won" during games can be used as cash payments for playing....

So. Rule was broken, right?

Players broke rule, and the punishment was to suspend them not for the bowl game, but for the first 5 games of the season (right?). Many outcry that this is weak, so that ESPN can make money, but the back line is that OSU didn't know about it, and forgot to tell the kids clearly that this was not correct to do. Now we find out that OSU DID know about it, and didn't do anything about it. And that should be as bad, or even worse, than the players who did the wrong, since the school is obligated with policing thier own program. Since it's just as bad as what the player did, the OSU official should face the same sanctions as the player do. Since that is the coach, so be it.

Whether you agree or not with the broken rule, rules were broken, and high up OSU officials knew. Both the rule breakers and officials who didn't do anything should pay equal penalty.

( I would be equally mad if the same thing happened up here... was hoping that the RR fallout would have been more harsh, since I think he thumbed his nose at the rule- but he did get fired, so that's ok now)
 
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Here's hoping tOSU is banned from football for the next 100 years.
 
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