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College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
It's more than that. USC brings the NCAA plenty of cash too, and they got hit hard. Anyone seriously think Auburn will face serious consequences from the NCAA?
Any questions?
It's more than that. USC brings the NCAA plenty of cash too, and they got hit hard. Anyone seriously think Auburn will face serious consequences from the NCAA?
Handyman
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
USC is one school...they can be sacrificed every twenty years or so so the NCAA can say "look see WE DO CARE!!". The SEC is a machine it cannot be stopped. Plus if they hit one SEC school how could they ignore the rest?
USC is one school...they can be sacrificed every twenty years or so so the NCAA can say "look see WE DO CARE!!". The SEC is a machine it cannot be stopped. Plus if they hit one SEC school how could they ignore the rest?
Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
It's not like LSU even had just one major violation, but rather they had five major violations, yet all the news stories are mostly about how the NCAA is praising LSU's compliance folks for being cooperative and all. Then you have Georgia Tech who is stripped of their 2009 ACC title for a minor $300 situation, though admittedly it sounds like Georgia Tech didn't cooperate much. But still to strip a title for a $300 situation, regardless of the level of cooperation, while LSU gets no postseason ban or meaningful loss of scholarships or anything?
So you're saying the NCAA is afraid of the SEC? Well, that would fit the pattern of behavior we have before us.
It's not like LSU even had just one major violation, but rather they had five major violations, yet all the news stories are mostly about how the NCAA is praising LSU's compliance folks for being cooperative and all. Then you have Georgia Tech who is stripped of their 2009 ACC title for a minor $300 situation, though admittedly it sounds like Georgia Tech didn't cooperate much. But still to strip a title for a $300 situation, regardless of the level of cooperation, while LSU gets no postseason ban or meaningful loss of scholarships or anything?
bronconick
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
Georgia Tech got hammered for a half-assed coverup and warning the player despite being told not to. Michigan got LSU level probation for essentially stretching 20 minutes too long, even though they were called "4 Major Violations"
You're fine as long as you don't bull**** the NCAA right now. The article even says that.
Georgia Tech got hammered for a half-assed coverup and warning the player despite being told not to. Michigan got LSU level probation for essentially stretching 20 minutes too long, even though they were called "4 Major Violations"
You're fine as long as you don't bull**** the NCAA right now. The article even says that.
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
So by that rationale, Ohio State is going to come very close to getting the death penalty.
So by that rationale, Ohio State is going to come very close to getting the death penalty.
bronconick
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If they ever add the additional info they've found since January to the NCAA investigation, they'll get USC level, if not more. Right now, the letter of violations only includes up to Tressel and the original 5 players.
If they ever add the additional info they've found since January to the NCAA investigation, they'll get USC level, if not more. Right now, the letter of violations only includes up to Tressel and the original 5 players.
MountieBoyOz
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
So does this mean that USC gets punished for LSU getting in trouble?
Any questions?
So does this mean that USC gets punished for LSU getting in trouble?
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
I am not sure afraid is the best word, but yes that is the general idea.
I am not sure afraid is the best word, but yes that is the general idea.
Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
That is pretty consistent with life in general, no? The coverup is worse than the crime in most situations including twittering congressmen, steroid using baseball players, runaway governors etc.
That is pretty consistent with life in general, no? The coverup is worse than the crime in most situations including twittering congressmen, steroid using baseball players, runaway governors etc.
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This always seems like the right answer, but I don't see how it is in this case. The NCAA has essentially 0 income from Division I BCS college football. Unlike basketball, they don't own the TV rights to any games, and they don't own the right to sell tickets to any games. All the NCAA owns in college football is the right to license bowls, and they only charge around $12,000 per bowl. None of that money comes directly from the schools or the conferences.
NCAA basketball tournament TV contract: $770,000,000/year (about 90 percent of the organization's revenue)
NCAA Division I BCS football income: $400,000/year (about 0.5 percent of the organization's revenue)
That's a small drop in a very big bucket, and LSU getting the death penalty wouldn't have cost the NCAA a dime. They are not making sanctioning decisions based on budgetary concerns.
Any questions?
This always seems like the right answer, but I don't see how it is in this case. The NCAA has essentially 0 income from Division I BCS college football. Unlike basketball, they don't own the TV rights to any games, and they don't own the right to sell tickets to any games. All the NCAA owns in college football is the right to license bowls, and they only charge around $12,000 per bowl. None of that money comes directly from the schools or the conferences.
NCAA basketball tournament TV contract: $770,000,000/year (about 90 percent of the organization's revenue)
NCAA Division I BCS football income: $400,000/year (about 0.5 percent of the organization's revenue)
That's a small drop in a very big bucket, and LSU getting the death penalty wouldn't have cost the NCAA a dime. They are not making sanctioning decisions based on budgetary concerns.
Your lips to Gods ear priceless.
Or better yet, the NCAA tells OSU that they would have to drop mens' hockey and make most of the lunicacy that's been going on were for the past 3 weeks all gets tossed out of the window.
MinnesotaNorthStar
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And they'll have a lot less income from the bouncyball tournaments if the SEC, B1G, Big 12, PAC-12, ACC, and Big East decide they don't want to be in the NCAA anymore because they held them accountable for their actions in football costing the schools money.
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Yes, but that isn't a very real-world scenario. There is a lot of talk lately of the big-time programs going their own way from the NCAA, but none of it is driven by the idea that the NCAA's rules enforcement is too strict. Just the opposite--the college presidents who run the NCAA, especially including the presidents of the BCS schools, want a solid enforcement regime--they are pushing the NCAA to expand their compliance staff, not contract it. Putting LSU on probation isn't going to make the drive to separate from the NCAA any stronger. I suspect that the NCAA's reasonably powerful infraction process is one of the things keeping those conferences in the NCAA.
Also, the compliance staff is very insulated from any financial pressures on the organization. I think people have this picture of thousands of bureaucrats wandering some massive office building in Indianapolis. It's not like that at all--the people making the decisions are not employed by the NCAA at all--they are mostly representatives of other schools & conferences.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect...coi+rls?pageDesign=old+news+releases+template
Yes, but that isn't a very real-world scenario. There is a lot of talk lately of the big-time programs going their own way from the NCAA, but none of it is driven by the idea that the NCAA's rules enforcement is too strict. Just the opposite--the college presidents who run the NCAA, especially including the presidents of the BCS schools, want a solid enforcement regime--they are pushing the NCAA to expand their compliance staff, not contract it. Putting LSU on probation isn't going to make the drive to separate from the NCAA any stronger. I suspect that the NCAA's reasonably powerful infraction process is one of the things keeping those conferences in the NCAA.
Also, the compliance staff is very insulated from any financial pressures on the organization. I think people have this picture of thousands of bureaucrats wandering some massive office building in Indianapolis. It's not like that at all--the people making the decisions are not employed by the NCAA at all--they are mostly representatives of other schools & conferences.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect...coi+rls?pageDesign=old+news+releases+template
bronconick
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
Late on a Friday afternoon, NCAA rules that Ohio State did not have a lack of institutional control or a failure to monitor.
USC and PAC-10 fans should probably get their torches out, since USC's punishment was "high profile players require high profile compliance."
Late on a Friday afternoon, NCAA rules that Ohio State did not have a lack of institutional control or a failure to monitor.
USC and PAC-10 fans should probably get their torches out, since USC's punishment was "high profile players require high profile compliance."
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The NCAA refused anonymity to the key witnesses against Ohio State and they feared retribution, so they didn't talk. The NCAA now has no case for anything, so OSU will likely get a slap on the wrist, if that.
The NCAA refused anonymity to the key witnesses against Ohio State and they feared retribution, so they didn't talk. The NCAA now has no case for anything, so OSU will likely get a slap on the wrist, if that.
bronconick
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
Here's a nice one from Mandel.
Here's a nice one from Mandel.
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Up is down. Oil is water. Black is white.
Up is down. Oil is water. Black is white.
MinnesotaNorthStar
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
Raise your hand if your surprised....
No one?
Raise your hand if your surprised....
No one?
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Re: College Football V: Bowls Are Done; Carry On My Wayward Sons
The Big 12 (or whatever they are now) schools suddenly realize that the Longhorn Network is a huge recruiting advantage for Texas. Apparently they've been living under a rock. They suddenly realize that in addition to having programming that will entice recruits, they can partner with ESPN to show high school games featuring Texas recruits. They woke up to this fact a little late in the game...
The Big 12 (or whatever they are now) schools suddenly realize that the Longhorn Network is a huge recruiting advantage for Texas. Apparently they've been living under a rock. They suddenly realize that in addition to having programming that will entice recruits, they can partner with ESPN to show high school games featuring Texas recruits. They woke up to this fact a little late in the game...