Prehaps the first couple of years, but one would think that a lot of the smaller bowls might start going belly up if there is nobody to play in them, and if just making it into the playoffs pays out better than what winning the Pizza bowl does. You start picking off the smaller bowls that have the BCS also rans going up against some havenot school, thats where the Cuban playoffs start winning over the hearts, minds and wallets of the BCS Schools.
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College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
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Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
There's an idea. The "have-nots" like Boise State and Villanova can call themselves something like the Football Championship Subdivision, and they could have a 20-team playoff, with the winner being crowned National Champion. That will certainly capture everybody's attention! I can see the SEC fans getting jealous already.
There's an idea. The "have-nots" like Boise State and Villanova can call themselves something like the Football Championship Subdivision, and they could have a 20-team playoff, with the winner being crowned National Champion. That will certainly capture everybody's attention! I can see the SEC fans getting jealous already.
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Even if the small bowls go belly up, though, the BCS conferences would undoubtedly forbid their weaker teams from participating in the playoffs. If one team ever did break ranks, then the others might fall like dominoes, but I just can't see a team that is already by definition a "weaker" member of a BCS conference defying the conference rules like that.
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True. In a lot of conferences (I don't think all), bowl revenue is spread evenly, so even those weaker members get signficant checks due to the BCS.
The weaker members of a BCS conference would like to do that, but if I was Cuban, I would target the weaker BCS conferences to get them to break ranks with the BCS. And I would also think about getting Norte Dame, Army, and Navy in on the mix as well. A lot lease hands to grease there with them, and well, could you imagine what the Golden Domers would be saying if they won the Mark Cuban Playoffs? It would be all over ESPN. They would NEVER shut up about it, and it would immediately raise the Playoffs profile.
bronconick
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Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
He's a few years too late on this. You needed to start this up while the BCS was on FOX. ESPN would mock it constantly, since they don't want to devalue the BCS bowls they just paid through the nose for. Just note the lack of playoff talk this year on the world wide leader compared to previous years, even last year, where 1/2 was pretty much as clear-cut as this year. So he's fighting an uphill battle vs. the major sports media, presidents, commissioners, etc.
He needs to get a major conference or two to sign off on it or even if the NCAA gives him a go ahead, it'll be an amusing sideshow on VS. or something.
He's a few years too late on this. You needed to start this up while the BCS was on FOX. ESPN would mock it constantly, since they don't want to devalue the BCS bowls they just paid through the nose for. Just note the lack of playoff talk this year on the world wide leader compared to previous years, even last year, where 1/2 was pretty much as clear-cut as this year. So he's fighting an uphill battle vs. the major sports media, presidents, commissioners, etc.
He needs to get a major conference or two to sign off on it or even if the NCAA gives him a go ahead, it'll be an amusing sideshow on VS. or something.
Handyman
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Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
Exactly...fans can pretend they would rather watch a tourny that would not include the BCS conferences but we know what games get the best ratings. You guys can pipe dream that it will matter, but the BCS cartel will stick together there is too much money not to.
Dream on Mark, how about you give me $250 million and I will buy you every version of EA Sports College Football so you can play a tourny
Exactly...fans can pretend they would rather watch a tourny that would not include the BCS conferences but we know what games get the best ratings. You guys can pipe dream that it will matter, but the BCS cartel will stick together there is too much money not to.
Dream on Mark, how about you give me $250 million and I will buy you every version of EA Sports College Football so you can play a tourny
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Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
The idea is to get boosters on board at powerhouse schools. By circumventing the presidents and bowl money he hopes to make BCS segregation irrelevant. If big money boosters at USC, Texas, Florida etc tell their president's "Join this playoff or I stop writing checks" odds are that the BCS will wither away. That's his theory, anyway. We'll see.
The idea is to get boosters on board at powerhouse schools. By circumventing the presidents and bowl money he hopes to make BCS segregation irrelevant. If big money boosters at USC, Texas, Florida etc tell their president's "Join this playoff or I stop writing checks" odds are that the BCS will wither away. That's his theory, anyway. We'll see.
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In my book anything that moves us away from the BCS monstrosity and toward a real playoff is good. I used to also say I'd be ok with going back to the old bowl system, but I don't think that's a realistic or viable option at this point.
In my book anything that moves us away from the BCS monstrosity and toward a real playoff is good. I used to also say I'd be ok with going back to the old bowl system, but I don't think that's a realistic or viable option at this point.
Kepler
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Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
I'm guessing the kind of guy who writes million dollar checks to Nebraska or Michigan football isn't going to apply pressure against the financial interests of that professional team, er, fine academic institution.
ESPN's days of dictating everything about college sports are nearly over. With everybody being able to directly access information and streaming re: their teams through the web, and with the schools themselves gradually evolving out of the stone age and delivering more content to their targetted fan base, that biz is decentralizing as fast as everything else.
I'm guessing the kind of guy who writes million dollar checks to Nebraska or Michigan football isn't going to apply pressure against the financial interests of that professional team, er, fine academic institution.
ESPN's days of dictating everything about college sports are nearly over. With everybody being able to directly access information and streaming re: their teams through the web, and with the schools themselves gradually evolving out of the stone age and delivering more content to their targetted fan base, that biz is decentralizing as fast as everything else.
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Kepler
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Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
Same here. In a perfect world we're back in the 60's and 70's with bowls that matter, and everybody being enough of an adult to realize bigger isn't always better and one ring to rule them all simply in the darkness binds them. But that's not going to happen until the Eschaton, and then only if Jesus is a Notre Dame fan (which, of course, He is).
Same here. In a perfect world we're back in the 60's and 70's with bowls that matter, and everybody being enough of an adult to realize bigger isn't always better and one ring to rule them all simply in the darkness binds them. But that's not going to happen until the Eschaton, and then only if Jesus is a Notre Dame fan (which, of course, He is).
RaceBoarder
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Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
I thought Tebow went to Florida
I thought Tebow went to Florida
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The checks that the bowls and TV networks write have several more zeroes at the end of them than the checks that the boosters write.
The checks that the bowls and TV networks write have several more zeroes at the end of them than the checks that the boosters write.
Hammer
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Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
Maybe so, but Mark Cuban has the horses to put a few zeroes at the end of a check, too. The man is pining to buy another professional sports team. He's got a few bucks.
I'm not sure if he can give it a go, but I know better than to put it past him as well.
Maybe so, but Mark Cuban has the horses to put a few zeroes at the end of a check, too. The man is pining to buy another professional sports team. He's got a few bucks.
I'm not sure if he can give it a go, but I know better than to put it past him as well.
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I wish I could share your optimism, but even the amount of money that Mark Cuban can spend is chump change next to what the bowls and The Mouse are spending. I'm pretty confident that if the BCS school presidents thought they could squeeze some more money out of college football, they would jump at the chance to do so. I don't see any jumping going on right now.
I wish I could share your optimism, but even the amount of money that Mark Cuban can spend is chump change next to what the bowls and The Mouse are spending. I'm pretty confident that if the BCS school presidents thought they could squeeze some more money out of college football, they would jump at the chance to do so. I don't see any jumping going on right now.
So, just spitballing ideas here, top eight from the have nots.
Boise
TCU
Central Florida
Northern illinois
Nevada
Troy
Utah
And I would throw Navy in there as well. I might want to set the bar a little higher so I wouldn't have a stinker like Troy from the Sun Belt there, earned access if you will.
Boise
TCU
Central Florida
Northern illinois
Nevada
Troy
Utah
And I would throw Navy in there as well. I might want to set the bar a little higher so I wouldn't have a stinker like Troy from the Sun Belt there, earned access if you will.
Hammer
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Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
Things might change if he partnered with the right network (looking at the SEC's set of shills, CBS, and Notre Dame's network with no other college football and might want in more action, NBC).
Things might change if he partnered with the right network (looking at the SEC's set of shills, CBS, and Notre Dame's network with no other college football and might want in more action, NBC).
Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
But all a playoff with these 8 teams will accomplish is what the 66 BCS schools have been trying to do all along--set the 66 BCS schools up in a separate division where they don't have to share any money with the 54 non-BCS schools.
What happened in 1978? Division I football split, with the top half or so competing in bowl games in front of huge TV audiences, and the bottom half or so competing in a tournament in front of family, close friends and ten thousand empty seats. The bottom half of Division I, already marginalized, thought they could leverage the tournament into a "separate but equal" sort of event. They failed.
So now, in 2010, we are supposed to imagine that if the FBS schools split, the top half (the BCS schools) will start begging to join the club that is formed by the bottom half (the non-BCS schools)? No--it will be 1978 all over again, and the BCS schools will keep their money and their top-tier bowls, and no longer have to worry about Utah and Boise demanding their fair share, because Utah and Boise are off pretending that their tournament is really important, even though the semifinals are at 6pm on Thursday on ESPNU.
But all a playoff with these 8 teams will accomplish is what the 66 BCS schools have been trying to do all along--set the 66 BCS schools up in a separate division where they don't have to share any money with the 54 non-BCS schools.
What happened in 1978? Division I football split, with the top half or so competing in bowl games in front of huge TV audiences, and the bottom half or so competing in a tournament in front of family, close friends and ten thousand empty seats. The bottom half of Division I, already marginalized, thought they could leverage the tournament into a "separate but equal" sort of event. They failed.
So now, in 2010, we are supposed to imagine that if the FBS schools split, the top half (the BCS schools) will start begging to join the club that is formed by the bottom half (the non-BCS schools)? No--it will be 1978 all over again, and the BCS schools will keep their money and their top-tier bowls, and no longer have to worry about Utah and Boise demanding their fair share, because Utah and Boise are off pretending that their tournament is really important, even though the semifinals are at 6pm on Thursday on ESPNU.
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Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
Exactly...the BCS will point and laugh and not bat an eyelash. They control the Rose Bowl and all the other big money ones. Do you think the Pac-10 and the Big Ten are going to lose the Rose Bowl for a chance at a meaningless tournament title? Do you think the SEC is going to give up the $15 million that making a BCS bowl gives them? Why would the Big East or the Big 12? The amounts of money are just too much.
Cuban doesnt have the clout he thinks he does that is why he never actually finds ways to buy the teams he wants to. But he is going to look at a multi BILLION dollar cartel that holds every card and make them blink? Even ESPN can't do that! When public opinion is on the side of the midmajors, when the media is on their side the BCS still stands up and sticks their tongue out...and nothing changes.
Exactly...the BCS will point and laugh and not bat an eyelash. They control the Rose Bowl and all the other big money ones. Do you think the Pac-10 and the Big Ten are going to lose the Rose Bowl for a chance at a meaningless tournament title? Do you think the SEC is going to give up the $15 million that making a BCS bowl gives them? Why would the Big East or the Big 12? The amounts of money are just too much.
Cuban doesnt have the clout he thinks he does that is why he never actually finds ways to buy the teams he wants to. But he is going to look at a multi BILLION dollar cartel that holds every card and make them blink? Even ESPN can't do that! When public opinion is on the side of the midmajors, when the media is on their side the BCS still stands up and sticks their tongue out...and nothing changes.
gounhwildcats
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Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
I watched the ESPN 30 for 30 on the SMU football program tonight. Wow, that all happened when I was a teenager and I'd forgotten a lot of the details. All these years later, and despite what happened to the Mustangs, not much has changed in college football.
I watched the ESPN 30 for 30 on the SMU football program tonight. Wow, that all happened when I was a teenager and I'd forgotten a lot of the details. All these years later, and despite what happened to the Mustangs, not much has changed in college football.
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