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College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.

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It's going to take a major BCS school getting the death penalty before anything changes. And even if it happened, which it won't, it probably won't discourage all of it.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
It's going to take a major BCS school getting the death penalty before anything changes. And even if it happened, which it won't, it probably won't discourage all of it.
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Clearly not. I understand the logic of the death penalty, but in the end the only one's that truly suffer are the kids in the program that were on the team legitimately.
 
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gounhwildcats said:
Clearly not. I understand the logic of the death penalty, but in the end the only one's that truly suffer are the kids in the program that were on the team legitimately.
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Yep, let's just let the schools run scot-free then.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Yep, let's just let the schools run scot-free then.
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That's not what I mean. That punishment never punished the people at the school who were involved, it never punished the boosters who were involved, and not the players. The only ones that genuinely suffered were the players that were there legitimately, not getting paid as well as the students who basically lost their football program for 30 years. I'm all for punishment but it's got to punish those that commit the crime.
 
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gounhwildcats said:
That's not what I mean. That punishment never punished the people at the school who were involved, it never punished the boosters who were involved, and not the players. The only ones that genuinely suffered were the players that were there legitimately, not getting paid as well as the students who basically lost their football program for 30 years. I'm all for punishment but it's got to punish those that commit the crime.
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How do you propose to do that?
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
How do you propose to do that?
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That is the problem. I said I understand the logic of the penalty, and when you think about it it's probably the only thing that made sense to do. But like I say the people that actually caused the problem in the first place were not the one's that paid the penalty for what occurred at SMU. I think the NCAA has pretty much taken that stance as well cause in the 20 odd years since SMU it's never been used again (keeping in mind I'm not sure if any school has been in the same situation), and I'd be willing to bet they don't use it again.
 
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It was a perfect storm for SMU, they had been caught too many times before, they were ****ing off the SWC big dogs and they had a ****ed good team. Put that in a media market like Dallas and it will hit the fan. All the schools were open about the cheating that was going on (why was Dickerson not put through the ringer over the car?) The NCAA can make an example out of them to scare schools like Texas into not being so ****ed in your face about it because 95% of the college football world had no idea who SMU were. If it had been anyone else in the SWC there is no death penalty.

It would take an epic meltdown for the death penalty to be used again. I mean it would probably need to be Auburn having another Cam Newton in a couple years and them not falling on the sword. SMU and the SWC were arrogant, they thought they could get away with murder. No way a BCS conference lets that happen again.
 
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Handyman said:
It was a perfect storm for SMU, they had been caught too many times before, they were ****ing off the SWC big dogs and they had a ****ed good team. Put that in a media market like Dallas and it will hit the fan. All the schools were open about the cheating that was going on (why was Dickerson not put through the ringer over the car?) The NCAA can make an example out of them to scare schools like Texas into not being so ****ed in your face about it because 95% of the college football world had no idea who SMU were. If it had been anyone else in the SWC there is no death penalty.

It would take an epic meltdown for the death penalty to be used again. I mean it would probably need to be Auburn having another Cam Newton in a couple years and them not falling on the sword. SMU and the SWC were arrogant, they thought they could get away with murder. No way a BCS conference lets that happen again.
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So would you argue that the use of the death penalty on SMU did change things for the better? Just curious.
 
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Far, far better than the death penalty.

All you need is the IRS.

If the funds are being hidden from the NCAA, for sure, the attempt is to hide them from the IRS.

Find info, make sure it's solid, and call the FBI/IRS. After seeing their press conference on Wednesday, I don't get the feeling that they like screwing around.

Money is money, taxes are needed, and fines can be big. Go for it.
 
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alfablue said:
Far, far better than the death penalty.

All you need is the IRS.

If the funds are being hidden from the NCAA, for sure, the attempt is to hide them from the IRS.

Find info, make sure it's solid, and call the FBI/IRS. After seeing their press conference on Wednesday, I don't get the feeling that they like screwing around.

Money is money, taxes are needed, and fines can be big. Go for it.
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This is why the Auburn/state of Alabama gambling FBI investigation is still interesting to me. FBI: Investigative authority the NCAA lacks= good luck covering your arse if you've got something to hide.
 
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LynahFan said:
So would you argue that the use of the death penalty on SMU did change things for the better? Just curious.
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I think it probably did for a few years as a byproduct but overall no. Cheating is still going on, is still pretty much out in the open (everyone knows but they dont KNOW) and no one even gets threatened with the death penalty. It is like when your dad grounds you for something...for a bit you will back off and not do it again, but then you will go right back to test him and if he weakens his stance even a bit you push yourself right through the crack in the door and have at it.

The fallout from SMU had more of an effect on the NCAA as an organization I think. They saw what they did, they killed that program literally. They may have wanted to prove a point (and they did) but at the same time the side effects were devastating. They dont ever want to do that again, and I would bet they never will. Just like the US will never drop another Nuke after WWII...
 
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About that big money from bowls...

It's hard to believe, but UCONN won the right to lose money by being the Big East's BCS participant. According to the New Haven Register, the school is now set to lose at least $2.5 million on the deal.

The main reason is the bowl ticket guarantees that participating schools have to make. UCONN will probably have to eat some 10,000+ tickets at face value prices that start at $111. Unless it's for the BCS national championship game, those prices are ridiculous as proven by the secondary market. Let's take a lower level corner seat for the Fiesta Bowl. The face value of the ticket is $235. I can buy that ticket right now on StubHub for $50, plus service fee. Ironically, the Fiesta Bowl takes StubHub's money to be the most prominent advertiser of its official bowl Web site.

How about the TicketCity bowl between Northwestern and Texas Tech? With the bowl being sponsored by a secondary ticketing site, tickets there were cheaper than what the schools were selling from the second the teams were announced. How much do I love my school to buy a ticket I can get for $30 for $75, when I'm already taking on huge travel costs by traveling around the holiday season?
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If you want to burn your corneas, go to ESPN2. Nova vs. Eastern Washington with their red turf. Boise blue is fine because it's dark, but the red is way too bright.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
If you want to burn your corneas, go to ESPN2. Nova vs. Eastern Washington with their red turf. Boise blue is fine because it's dark, but the red is way too bright.
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Looks like the TV needs adjusting.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
If you want to burn your corneas, go to ESPN2. Nova vs. Eastern Washington with their red turf. Boise blue is fine because it's dark, but the red is way too bright.
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I wonder what would happen if you put an Oregon Uniform on that field? Would it be like dividing by 0?
 
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I'm surprised they don't have/aren't wearing red jerseys.
 
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