Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
that would make some great graffiti on that ad.
that would make some great graffiti on that ad.
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College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
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unofan
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Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
Then don't lose to Iowa.
This is almost as bad as the Texas/OU/Texas Tech triangle from a couple years back. No, Texas should not have gone over OU, because you can't ignore the Texas Tech part of the loop.
Then don't lose to Iowa.
This is almost as bad as the Texas/OU/Texas Tech triangle from a couple years back. No, Texas should not have gone over OU, because you can't ignore the Texas Tech part of the loop.
Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
I hate to go back on subjects, but watching the federal indictments of the former administration of the City of Detroit got me thinking- specifically the IRS part of it.
On the subject of paying players and family members, friends, etc- where we know that there are NCAA rules that are being violated- does anyone know about those payments being ilegal WRT the IRS? If someone gets money, and hides it, or does not pay proper taxes on that, isn't that ilegal? So, if there's the proper person in charge of the IRS/FBI etc- there could be some charges brought if these payments are real and are being hidden?
I'm asking this not knowing if there is evidence of hiding the funds from proper federal and state agencies. But it sure seems as if payments from random people (whoever they are) that are not declared as income would be ilegal. Especially money that we keep talking about...
I hate to go back on subjects, but watching the federal indictments of the former administration of the City of Detroit got me thinking- specifically the IRS part of it.
On the subject of paying players and family members, friends, etc- where we know that there are NCAA rules that are being violated- does anyone know about those payments being ilegal WRT the IRS? If someone gets money, and hides it, or does not pay proper taxes on that, isn't that ilegal? So, if there's the proper person in charge of the IRS/FBI etc- there could be some charges brought if these payments are real and are being hidden?
I'm asking this not knowing if there is evidence of hiding the funds from proper federal and state agencies. But it sure seems as if payments from random people (whoever they are) that are not declared as income would be ilegal. Especially money that we keep talking about...
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
Good question. For that matter, it would be easy to comply with tax law and still get the goodies. IINM, while you have to declare gift income above a certain dollar figure, you don't have to name the giver, and it's not like the benefactor is writing off his bribes as a deduction.
I'm all for continuing to research ways of nailing the BCS on RICO. The symbolism would be apt.
Good question. For that matter, it would be easy to comply with tax law and still get the goodies. IINM, while you have to declare gift income above a certain dollar figure, you don't have to name the giver, and it's not like the benefactor is writing off his bribes as a deduction.
I'm all for continuing to research ways of nailing the BCS on RICO. The symbolism would be apt.
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Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
If its income, the IRS will lay a claim... they'll tend not to go after your babysitter but going after the guy getting 200K in an oversized envelope may be worth their effort.
If its income, the IRS will lay a claim... they'll tend not to go after your babysitter but going after the guy getting 200K in an oversized envelope may be worth their effort.
Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
See, that's what is bugging me. I think the IRS would be very happy to tax income of what is being rumored that some of these sports figures are allegedly getting. So much that they would actively be going after them, since it's significant money, and fines, with little to no real defense.
Yet, nothing seems to be going on... That's whats confusing.
note- this isn't to say that nothing is going on, but I'm confused that it appears that the IRS is not involved.
See, that's what is bugging me. I think the IRS would be very happy to tax income of what is being rumored that some of these sports figures are allegedly getting. So much that they would actively be going after them, since it's significant money, and fines, with little to no real defense.
Yet, nothing seems to be going on... That's whats confusing.
note- this isn't to say that nothing is going on, but I'm confused that it appears that the IRS is not involved.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
Risk and reward I would figure... I have to imagine they randomly target the general public to keep them honest... after that then I think it would be a matter of cost/benefit... money you can get from them (lets say near to 60K here) versus the cost in lawyer time (figure several investigators over the course of the year... etc.). Who knows... but first of all, somebody must become aware of it and then report it I would figure.
Risk and reward I would figure... I have to imagine they randomly target the general public to keep them honest... after that then I think it would be a matter of cost/benefit... money you can get from them (lets say near to 60K here) versus the cost in lawyer time (figure several investigators over the course of the year... etc.). Who knows... but first of all, somebody must become aware of it and then report it I would figure.
WeWantMore
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Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
Mark Cuban offers to fund a college football playoff
How great would that be?
Mark Cuban offers to fund a college football playoff
How great would that be?
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
If we can't go back to 1975, then what the hell, in for a dime, in for a trillion dimes.
But if it's 16, I want the Ivies back to FBS and I want an auto-bid.
If we can't go back to 1975, then what the hell, in for a dime, in for a trillion dimes.
But if it's 16, I want the Ivies back to FBS and I want an auto-bid.
Handyman
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Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
Cuban needs to lay off whatever he is smoking. Even if you leave out the fact that there is zero chance the BCS conferences approve this (their tirade over whether more midmajors should have a shot at BCS Bowl Games shows how they feel) there is no way they would let a private citizen fund such a playoff. Cuban is out to friggin lunch.
Plus, the BCS conferences, even if they did think about approving of a playoff, would never allow it to be 16 teams because that means more autobids for conferences like the MAC and MWC. Can't allow that!
Cuban needs to lay off whatever he is smoking. Even if you leave out the fact that there is zero chance the BCS conferences approve this (their tirade over whether more midmajors should have a shot at BCS Bowl Games shows how they feel) there is no way they would let a private citizen fund such a playoff. Cuban is out to friggin lunch.
Plus, the BCS conferences, even if they did think about approving of a playoff, would never allow it to be 16 teams because that means more autobids for conferences like the MAC and MWC. Can't allow that!
Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
Sanctioned cupcake game at home?
Sanctioned cupcake game at home?
Why would he really need the BCS schools at first for something like this? He can just grab all the schools from the have-nots, cut one of the networks in on a sweetheart deal to air the games, and could then crown Boise State the playoff champion. Cuban can keep chipping away the BCS, perhaps talk the Big East and ACC into joining in, because well, they'll be hard pressed right now to get into the BCS BOWL, just a victim in one of the other BCS bowls. Then you have one of those teams winning it all and that would just drive the SEC fans mad I bet. They would all be clammering to get the SEC in soon after that.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
Hmm.
I'm not sure if you're crazy or a genius.
One thing, though. How does the NC$$ fit into all this? If they are in the pocket of the BCS schools they would squash it. But if they don't care...
Hmm.
Hmm.
I'm not sure if you're crazy or a genius.
One thing, though. How does the NC$$ fit into all this? If they are in the pocket of the BCS schools they would squash it. But if they don't care...
Hmm.
unofan
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Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
The NCAA will have to throw its weight around, just like it did in basketball in the 1940's. The NIT used to be the premier tournament, and still would be to this day if the NCAA hadn't told schools "come to our tournament if invited, or else."
The NCAA will have to throw its weight around, just like it did in basketball in the 1940's. The NIT used to be the premier tournament, and still would be to this day if the NCAA hadn't told schools "come to our tournament if invited, or else."
WeWantMore
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Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
Have you met SEC fans?
I agree that that might not be a bad strategy, but I doubt the SEC (and a most of the other BCS conferences at least at the start) would treat it with anything but utter disdain.
Have you met SEC fans?
I agree that that might not be a bad strategy, but I doubt the SEC (and a most of the other BCS conferences at least at the start) would treat it with anything but utter disdain.
Yeah, it would be a long term battle to get the rest of the other conferences in, I would say at least ten years, maybe less than that if whatever is left of the Big XII folds up shop. Mark would need a place to host his championship game at, and I would have to be Jerry in Dallas there wouldn't mind letting him us his place. The championship wouldn't be on the same day as the Cotton Bowl, as Jerry would want to keep that cash cow there as well. But a start up college football playoff among the smaller fish of the big boys with the potential to get in the bigger fish down the road? You would almost think that Jerry would jump at that chance, if nothing more than to put another football game in Jerryworld. And one would also have to think that a few other mega-boosters like Pickens would be interested in this as well.Have you met SEC fans?
I agree that that might not be a bad strategy, but I doubt the SEC (and a most of the other BCS conferences at least at the start) would treat it with anything but utter disdain.
Grease the right wheels, offer them a cut of the pie to get them to make a walnut and bronze trophy just like any other NCAA championship, they might give it their blessing to hold a tournament. Might have to keep it smaller as well, like eight teams at first, to get them on board.
Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
I believe the NCAA's role and power is in sanctioning the postseason as a legitimate extension on the playing season. A read-through of the by-laws implies that the NCAA has the power to say "No, we do not sanction this postseason event, and if teams want to participate in it, it will count against their 12 game season limit" (In effect, it'd be like the Maui Invitational is for basketball, and probably run in the same way, including having all teams play for a full placement, since they're already on the hook for four games).
All of the exemptions that we know about right now (conference championships, bowl games, etc.) are specifically enumerated in the NCAA by-laws as exemptions to the limit. If the Cuban anti-BCS wants to play, it'll have to get an NCAA exemption (and in so doing, there'd probably have to be "either/or" provisions vis a vis participation in bowl games).
Well, except that they already do. There's this thing you may have heard of called the Bowl Championship Series. Last I checked, these contests were all being run by private concerns.
I believe the NCAA's role and power is in sanctioning the postseason as a legitimate extension on the playing season. A read-through of the by-laws implies that the NCAA has the power to say "No, we do not sanction this postseason event, and if teams want to participate in it, it will count against their 12 game season limit" (In effect, it'd be like the Maui Invitational is for basketball, and probably run in the same way, including having all teams play for a full placement, since they're already on the hook for four games).
All of the exemptions that we know about right now (conference championships, bowl games, etc.) are specifically enumerated in the NCAA by-laws as exemptions to the limit. If the Cuban anti-BCS wants to play, it'll have to get an NCAA exemption (and in so doing, there'd probably have to be "either/or" provisions vis a vis participation in bowl games).
Well, except that they already do. There's this thing you may have heard of called the Bowl Championship Series. Last I checked, these contests were all being run by private concerns.
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Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
Cuban was on with Dan Patrick today. The thing he is doing that is different is he's not going directly to the president's and the sponsors, he is going to the boosters. If he can convince enough boosters that 1) their team will benefit and 2) they can make money off an investment in his playoff system, then the boosters can call the university presidents. They'll be more willing to take a phone call when the person at the other end has the ability to write (or not write) a check with a bunch of 000's at the end.
Cuban was on with Dan Patrick today. The thing he is doing that is different is he's not going directly to the president's and the sponsors, he is going to the boosters. If he can convince enough boosters that 1) their team will benefit and 2) they can make money off an investment in his playoff system, then the boosters can call the university presidents. They'll be more willing to take a phone call when the person at the other end has the ability to write (or not write) a check with a bunch of 000's at the end.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.
Where will he get traction, though? The BCS schools make a fortune from the present system and don't have to share it with the other conferences. So he starts with the other conferences, I guess, but then is that a marketable product? The BCS schools aren't going to let their non-BCS qualifying teams play in the Cuban Playoff because that would eventually erode their BCS segregation. So we're left with Boise vs Miami (OH).
Where will he get traction, though? The BCS schools make a fortune from the present system and don't have to share it with the other conferences. So he starts with the other conferences, I guess, but then is that a marketable product? The BCS schools aren't going to let their non-BCS qualifying teams play in the Cuban Playoff because that would eventually erode their BCS segregation. So we're left with Boise vs Miami (OH).
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