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College Football IV: The Hand over Fist Cash Grab Time, or Bowl Season for short.

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If OSU tradition really means something to Tressel, he should go where the NCAA feared to go and suspend those 5 players for the Sugar Bowl for conduct detrimental to the team and school. If you break a team rule, there should be a price to pay for this season, not just next season.

When Lukas Dora, a key senior player on Denver's 2004 hockey team, broke a team rule on the eve of the National Championship Game, Denver coach George Gwozdecky suspended him for the title game. No player should be above the team or program.

I'd like to see Tressel set the example here. But he probably won't.
 
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Gwozdecky is a man of integrity. Sweater-vest never knew the word.
 
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Why would he want to burn up the equity he has with the only people he truly fears, the alumni. While the rest of the world will praise him for it all the wrong people would get ticked off and then all it takes is a bit of a downturn and he will be toast. As of now the alumni/boosters are happy and the negative press will do nothing to him so it is in his best interest to take the "punishment" and run.

Don't worry about the players, I am sure he has set up a sweet booster controlled tattoo parlor that will handle all of the players needs. That is the true talent behind the Sweatervest, he always finds a way to get the players exactly what they want.
 
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A couple of us were talking about the year of the scandal last night. I jokingly suggested: What if players are suspended, they are required to pay for their education. Get suspended for two games? You pay the school 2/13ths of your tuition (assume 12 plus bowl). It would never be implemented but if I was a poor football player on a scholarship, I'd be scared ****less about getting in trouble.
 
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bronconick said:
The non-suspension for the Sugar Bowl has everything to do with the sponsors and ad-buyers not wanting a 45-10 dud with lower than expected ratings. The BCS and ESPN don't want to end up giving out a bunch of freebies later in the year because the ratings sucked to start with and half the tv's getting shutoff at halftime with OSU down 28-7.

Granted, Arkansas is in the SEC, so OSU needs all the help they can get.
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Pretty much, and this is only going to encourange more kids and boosters to try to get away with it, while the instiutions just turn a blind eye to it all and play dumb when somebody is caught with their hand in the cookie jar. Pryor is gone after this, why let him have the Sugar Bowl to showcase his talents?? Not kicking those guys out for the Sugar Bowl just means that the NCAA is going to have to dish out a death penalty case to some upstart school sometime just to show that its serious. Drop the hammer now NCAA on stuff like Pryor and Scam Newton, and schools will clean up.
Puck Swami said:
If OSU tradition really means something to Tressel, he should go where the NCAA feared to go and suspend those 5 players for the Sugar Bowl for conduct detrimental to the team and school. If you break a team rule, there should be a price to pay for this season, not just next season.

When Lukas Dora, a key senior player on Denver's 2004 hockey team, broke a team rule on the eve of the National Championship Game, Denver coach George Gwozdecky suspended him for the title game. No player should be above the team or program.

I'd like to see Tressel set the example here. But he probably won't.
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I would like to see him do that as well, or have the Big Ten step in on the issue to tell em not to use the 5 guys. They're already going to get the Sugar Bowl BCS payout for all of the Big Ten, why can't they say that OSU can't used them as their rep in the Sugar Bowl or say OSU's share of the BSC money gets split between the rest of the Big Ten schools??
 
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Handyman said:
Why would he want to burn up the equity he has with the only people he truly fears, the alumni. While the rest of the world will praise him for it all the wrong people would get ticked off and then all it takes is a bit of a downturn and he will be toast. As of now the alumni/boosters are happy and the negative press will do nothing to him so it is in his best interest to take the "punishment" and run.

Don't worry about the players, I am sure he has set up a sweet booster controlled tattoo parlor that will handle all of the players needs. That is the true talent behind the Sweatervest, he always finds a way to get the players exactly what they want.
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Tressel and Meyer were my favorite coaches recruiting wise...and to a lesser extent Stoops.

Ted Ginn Jr was set to commit to USC but his mother got a last minute phone call from Tressel extolling the horrors of LA and how Ted Ginn Jr was going to get murdered in a drive-by. His mom went nutso. Wash rinse repeat Percy Harvin, and to a lesser extent, Adrian Peterson.

The money that is changing hands these days is enormous...all scrupolousness is long gone.

Growzdeky also has the benefit of the fact that his decision wasn't going to see him fired. If Tressel did the same, and then for example if Ohio State had lost the championship game to Miami...he might have been canned.
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
Growzdeky also has the benefit of the fact that his decision wasn't going to see him fired. If Tressel did the same, and then for example if Ohio State had lost the championship game to Miami...he might have been canned.
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Interesting point - at what point does money and winning overtake tradition and honor?

For Denver, an NCAA Hockey Title means as much to the school and its fans as a NC title game in football (or even a Sugar Bowl) means to OSU and it's fans.

Seems to me that even with all the money flying around, a University's core purpose is still education, and coaches are in the education business, too.

Breaking rules has consequences, and coaches need to uphold rules or the whole thing becomes a sham. I remember when Dora was suspended, every Denver fan I know was 100% behind Gwozdecky for not bending the rules, as I was. Integrity matters. Rules matter. Had it been five players that broke the rules that night, I would have expected Gwoz to suspend them, too. And had it been 15 DU players that broke the rules, I would have also respected him if he forfeited the NC game to Maine. At some point, there needs to be respect for the rules and putting on your team jersey is an honor that many want, and few get the chance to do. I would always put honoring the school and what it stands for above any player and any game.

I'd like to think that OSU, and it's fans, would understand Tressel benching anyone who put themselves above the team like that. I bet almost every OSU alumni player who treasures his pair of gold pants (and many OSU fans) are enraged by the fact that these guys not only broke the NCAA and team rules, but that they also spit on their school by selling off cherished tradition for cash.

OSU should give Tressel a raise if he suspends those players, not can him.
 
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I seriously don't understand why someone would want to sell championship ring(s) or other like memorabilia. I don't get it, especially for something as dumb as a tattoo.
 
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Swami...money and winning have always overtaken tradition and honor. In the NCAA, for a long time, ever since the 100 dollar handshake was invented.
 
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Also Swami: doesn't it also help that 1) DU still won the game 2) You don't have an insane fanbase out there with insane power-mad boosters?
 
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Greyeagle said:
I seriously don't understand why someone would want to sell championship ring(s) or other like memorabilia. I don't get it, especially for something as dumb as a tattoo.
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If I was a fan or a coach of this team, I would be beyond ****ed off. From the team standpoint, anyone that sells their ring doesnt care about the institution, its legacy, his teammates, and fans.
 
WeWantMore said:
I really really agree with this. To me, they've already reached a BCS Bowl, what does it matter really if they win or lose it? (Obviously it matters to a lot of people, but in terms of benefit? I'd argue not much).

On the other hand suspending them for next season where they could lose at Miami and to MSU could hurt them where it really hurts, by making it so they might not even make it to a BCS Bowl.
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It's still the principle of hey you broke the rules but it's okay your suspension won't start till next year. Also who knows how many will return to school.
 
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NMU8405 said:
If I was a fan or a coach of this team, I would be beyond ****ed off. From the team standpoint, anyone that sells their ring doesnt care about the institution, its legacy, his teammates, and fans.
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Agreed 100%. Dan Brooks articulated what I think quite well after Mark Wells sold his gold Medal.
This is from Charley Walters (St. Paul Pioneer Press):
Dan Brooks, son of the late Herb Brooks, who coached the 1980 Olympic team to the so-called "Miracle On Ice," is caretaker for his father's gold medal.

"Nothing against Mark Wells, but there were 22 medals issued, with my dad and assistant coach Craig Patrick each getting one, and quite frankly, I think they're priceless," Dan Brooks said Saturday. "How do you put a value on something like that?"
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It's unfortunate the Buckeye players were so cavalier about what they had done for their school.
 
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Ok, I don't think what they did was right, but comparing their Big 10 rings and gold pants to the Miracle on Ice medal? Really?
 
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Comparing and equating are two different things.
 
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To be fair, Ohio State players have probably gotten complacent about some of these things. 6 straight Big Ten titles and 7 straight wins over Michigan. These guys have got 3 sets of Big Ten Championship rings and 3 sets of "Gold Pants" for beating Michigan each, with none of the games even competitive.
 
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Yeah they've already got enough gold pants to last a lifetime. Hahaha.
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
Swami...money and winning have always overtaken tradition and honor. In the NCAA, for a long time, ever since the 100 dollar handshake was invented.
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Maybe, but do we just capitulate or do we take a stand against it?

I'd like to think that of all the NCAA schools that play football, at least half of the head coaches would have enough honor for their school to suspend players that have such a blatant disregard for the traditions of their schools.
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
Also Swami: doesn't it also help that 1) DU still won the game 2) You don't have an insane fanbase out there with insane power-mad boosters?
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1. Sure it does. But had DU lost the game to Maine, I still would have said Gwoz was 100% right to suspend Dora. Integrity and honor means more than winning, and there are still coaches out there who haven't sold their souls to the almighty dollar.

2. Our fan base isn't insane like OSU football's is. We have some perspective, after all. That said, part of the reason we're not insane is that we do tend to value more than just winning.
 
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When guys at USC were even arrested, they got suspended. Mark Sanchez got hit with a fake rape allegation and he spent the whole time not allowed near practice.

When Eric Wright got arrested for you guessed it, another fake rape allegation, he was suspended and since the charges seemed more serious, they urged him to transfer. He eventually ended up at UNLV.

Both guys were so good, they both made it as starters at their respective positions in the NFL. Both guys had the charges eventually dropped. You can argue that Carroll didn't tolerate the distraction...or maybe that he was holding the standard high in that regard. Either way, Florida had what, 40 guys arrested in the time Carroll was there, and did any of them miss practice?

But USC is the bad program, right? :rolls eyes:
 
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