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College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!

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Patman said:
I would figure shop but cannot transact... this means that any evidence of shopping is not going to be treated as defacto evidence that a purchase occurred.
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Really though, where there is shopping, there is transacting. The problem is how to uncover what's actually happened. That's what often distinguishes who gets punished or not, is sometimes things come to light, sometimes not. And sometimes that is on purpose by somebody and sometimes just bad luck.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Really though, where there is shopping, there is transacting. The problem is how to uncover what's actually happened. That's what often distinguishes who gets punished or not, is sometimes things come to light, sometimes not. And sometimes that is on purpose by somebody and sometimes just bad luck.
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Pretty sure it's Kepler whose (badly paraphrased) truism applies here: "when you go up to the girl on the corner to ask the price, you've already decided that you're buying."
 
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LynahFan said:
Pretty sure it's Kepler whose (badly paraphrased) truism applies here: "when you go up to the girl on the corner to ask the price, you've already decided that you're buying."
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Actually, that's the flip side of my aphorism, which is "when a woman negotiates, the only thing in question is her price; the rest is established." God bless James Hadley Chase.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Ditto. I remember that being said on a number of shows.
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Not to mention the report from Schad over at ESPN that Newton had said to someone that he would have liked to go to Mississippi State, but that the money was too great elsewhere. I guess the NCAA forgot about that or something.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Not to mention the report from Schad over at ESPN that Newton had said to someone that he would have liked to go to Mississippi State, but that the money was too great elsewhere. I guess the NCAA forgot about that or something.
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From what I understand that was an anonymous statement so I assume they couldn't / didn't want to corrorborate it.

On the one hand, you can't convict a guy on hearsay.

On the other hand, guilty, Guilty, GUILTY!!!
 
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Kepler said:
On the one hand, you can't convict a guy on hearsay.
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Sure you can. There are entire classes devoted to the hearsay rule and the exceptions thereto (not to mention the categories of statements which should be hearsay but are explicitly labelled "not hearsay").
 
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Kepler said:
From what I understand that was an anonymous statement so I assume they couldn't / didn't want to corrorborate it.

On the one hand, you can't convict a guy on hearsay.

On the other hand, guilty, Guilty, GUILTY!!!
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If they couldn't corroborate it, well, that's one thing, though it'd make you wonder a bit how Schad came up with it, and Schad seems like a decent sports guy. If they didn't want to, well, that sounds like the NCAA.
 
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Kepler said:
Whazzat mean?
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Basically you have statements which are hearsay and not admissible.
You have other statements which are hearsay, but are admissible due to an exception to the hearsay rule.
Then you have statements which otherwise meet the definition of hearsay but are, by rule, not hearsay.

The distinction between the latter 2 groups is annoying as hell, because the last group will get admitted into court more easily (since it is not considered to be hearsay at all).
My wife's the hearsay/evidence expert in the family; but i'll try to find an example of each.

Hersay but admissible under an exception: A statement made for purposes of medical treatment. Adam tells his doc "I got banged up in a bar fight last night. Anything broken?" Doctor can testify as to that.
Not hearsay: An admission by a party-opponent. State charges Adam with assault. Bob testifies that Adam told him "I hit Charlie." Allowable because the rule says it isn't hearsay.
 
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unofan said:
Basically you have statements which are hearsay and not admissible.
You have other statements which are hearsay, but are admissible due to an exception to the hearsay rule.
Then you have statements which otherwise meet the definition of hearsay but are, by rule, not hearsay.

The distinction between the latter 2 groups is annoying as hell, because the last group will get admitted into court more easily (since it is not considered to be hearsay at all).
My wife's the hearsay/evidence expert in the family; but i'll try to find an example of each.

Hersay but admissible under an exception: A statement made for purposes of medical treatment. Adam tells his doc "I got banged up in a bar fight last night. Anything broken?" Doctor can testify as to that.
Not hearsay: An admission by a party-opponent. State charges Adam with assault. Bob testifies that Adam told him "I hit Charlie." Allowable because the rule says it isn't hearsay.
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Is it essential that Adam is talking about himself for it to be admissible? Say in the latter case Bob testifies that David told him "I was in the bar when Adam hit Charlie"?
 
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Kepler said:
Is it essential that Adam is talking about himself for it to be admissible? Say in the latter case Bob testifies that David told him "I was in the bar when Adam hit Charlie"?
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Depends, but generally yes, that is essential (because Bob testifying as to what Adam said meets the basic definition of hearsay, except the rule says it isn't hearsay where Adam is a party).

In your situation, you'd have to call David to testify as to what he saw unless it would fall under one of the exceptions. (Say David told that to Bob as he was dying in Bob's arms - then it might come in under the "dying utterance" exception).
 
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Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!

And back on the field, the annual Duel in the Desert will be getting underway in a couple hours as Arizona State and the U of A battle for the Territorial Cup, the oldest rivalry piece of hardware in the country. Go Devils!
 
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I find it interesting--and illuminating--that there are far more conspiracy theories per page in this thread than in the "11/22/63" thread and the "World Soccer" thread combined.
 
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Alton said:
I find it interesting--and illuminating--that there are far more conspiracy theories per page in this thread than in the "11/22/63" thread and the "World Soccer" thread combined.
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Why would there be conspiracy theories in the soccer thread? No one in this country cares about soccer.
 
Re: College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!

You would think hockey fans would be the least likely to use that tired old line from Jim Rome's playbook. Guess not.

Either way, a good read from Stewart Mandel on why some people's preceptions of Pac 10 weakness this year are wrong. I only disagree with the last line. The system didn't help the conference this year, the Pac simply overcame the hurdles the system sets up.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...el/12/02/pac-10-progress/index.html?eref=sihp
 
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