College Football III: We may lose, but we keep the score close!

[Bob Gray]

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It can be tough to get that 7th home game all the time when you play 9 conference games. Arizona State has that this season, with only six home games in a year when they have five conference road games.

 

[blockski]

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It can be tough to get that 7th home game all the time when you play 9 conference games. Arizona State has that this season, with only six home games in a year when they have five conference road games.

Yeah - I think schools would take 6 once in a while if that means they could have 8 every so often, too. So long as they have the cash reserves to do it, that's fine.

The bigger concern is the recurring OOC rivalry games, since those are essentially long-term commitments just like conference games. It's one thing to have the occasional 6-game year, but doing it every other season might be too much to ask.

You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the Pac-10 has too many of those. USC-Notre Dame, but there aren't many others, are there? Maybe WSU and Idaho? I can't think of any others. There might be some new ones with the new kids (Utah-BYU, Colorado-Nebraska maybe?)

For example, USC hosts Notre Dame this season - which is also one where USC has 5 conference road games. That would have to be a requirement to make it work in the Big Ten, I would think.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Yeah - I think schools would take 6 once in a while if that means they could have 8 every so often, too. So long as they have the cash reserves to do it, that's fine.

The bigger concern is the recurring OOC rivalry games, since those are essentially long-term commitments just like conference games. It's one thing to have the occasional 6-game year, but doing it every other season might be too much to ask.

You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the Pac-10 has too many of those. USC-Notre Dame, but there aren't many others, are there? Maybe WSU and Idaho? I can't think of any others. There might be some new ones with the new kids (Utah-BYU, Colorado-Nebraska maybe?)

Yah, the Pac doesn't have that many longstanding rivalry games out of conference, probably to a sizable extent due to geography. Maybe that explains a little bit why they tend to load up with tough nonconference opponents on top of playing nine conference games.

 

[kingdobbs]

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It's not perfect, but it is objective and it's probably the best measure we have. The measure will only get better as more games are played.

I think the structural problems mean that it can only say so much. Granted, we're in a system that rewards winning over strong scheduling (and strength of victory over strength of opponent, when the polling is taken into consideration), so it's pretty much a fait accompli. We could at least let the computers decide fully and remove completely the polling component.

Yep. This is true. Sucks for them, but life isn't fair. If they can do that and be in the top 2, then great. If not, I won't lose any sleep over it.

Well, and I'm sure what will ensue is at best a minority opinion, if we really want to maintain objectivity, hold to the pretense that the regular season is the "playoffs", and give every I-A team as fair of access as possible, the thing we need to do is dynamite the entire conference structure, have an NCAA- (or other independent body) controlled and assigned schedule that gives everybody 6 and 6 for home games and puts as many different regions and teams on someone's schedule as possible for a wider slice of investigation, and use an RPI or similar statistical system to determine playoff access.

This is, of course, such a radical change that it will never happen.

 

[Priceless]

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Given the extremely insular nature of college football scheduling, and the paucity of inter-conference connections, especially between the best teams from other conferences, it's really difficult for SOS as arranged to be really meaningful.

In fact, there is practically little that Boise State can do to raise their SOS. Even if they play 4 games against top 10 opponents, they're still going to be counteracted by the extremely weak bottom of the WAC.

Pop Quiz hotshot: Name the non-conference BCS games so far this season.

There are very few games between BCS schools, much less between two GOOD BCS schools. There have only been 38 games between BCS conferences. Only the Pac-10 (53.3%) plays more than 39% of their out of conference schedule against other BCS schools. The Big 10, Big 12 and SEC play less than 30% of their games against BCS teams. The schedules are incredibly insular. Who has the toughest schedule can come down to Northwestern vs Vanderbilt or, more than likely, mighty Duke vs Alabama or Minnesota vs USC.

The answer is, BTW, three. Boise State over Virginia Tech, Arkansas over Texas A&M and Arizona over Iowa. Also acceptable: Shoot the hostage.

 

[French Rage]

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You mean between ranked teams?

 

[Priceless]

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You mean between ranked teams?

Yes. Non-conference games between teams currently ranked in the BCS.

They're almost non-existent. Last year there were seven.

 

[Patman]

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Yep. This is true. Sucks for them, but life isn't fair. If they can do that and be in the top 2, then great. If not, I won't lose any sleep over it.

Of course you won't... you're wedded to the big school system.

Boise State will always be out of luck because, for the computers, each season is an objective existence and in the end the schedules can't pick it up... now in principle fair humans will adapt for this but they're all wedded to the "big schools" idea of life. While over the years one could certainly argue that Boise has been consistently in there they have no means of proving themselves unless you want to build inter-year links between the seasons (Kalman Filters, Time Series Models, etc.)... but I don't think that'll fly very far.

The problem is that we're working with a situation that selects the top 2 for a title game... there will always be problems... and you know what, the system isn't fair because it isn't objective.... you can't call it that as long as humans vote... especially when it carries double weight. We KNOW the humans game the computers themselves... watch them especially if they have to propel a "3" into a "2" to get the "right" teams.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Tcu > bsu

 

[Priceless]

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Where there's smoke...

Auburn quarterback Cam Newton and his father, Cecil Newton, admitted in separate phone conversations to a pay-for-play plan while Newton was being recruited late last year, ESPN reported Tuesday.

Mississippi State compliance officials relayed the conversations to Southeastern Conference compliance officials in January, according to ESPN.

Newton, who began his college career at Florida in 2007, transferred to Auburn after last season from Blinn Junior College in Brenham, Texas. Before Newton made his commitment, one recruiter said Cecil Newton told him it would take "more than a scholarship" to bring his son to Mississippi State, a request ESPN said the school would not meet.

After Newton picked Auburn, he phoned another recruiter to express regret about turning down Mississippi State, saying his father had chosen Auburn for him because "the money was too much," ESPN reported.

linky

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Where there's smoke...



linky

How great would it be if auburn wins the title and alabama misses it only to have that entire season vacated (toss in a non-bcs opponent into the title game) and now you've got a mess of biblical proportions.

 

[Kepler]

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Paul Finebaum Pulitzer, here we come.

I'm shocked, shocked to find this sort of thing happening in the SEC.

 

[alfablue]

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Yeah - I think schools would take 6 once in a while if that means they could have 8 every so often, too. So long as they have the cash reserves to do it, that's fine.

The bigger concern is the recurring OOC rivalry games, since those are essentially long-term commitments just like conference games. It's one thing to have the occasional 6-game year, but doing it every other season might be too much to ask.

You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the Pac-10 has too many of those. USC-Notre Dame, but there aren't many others, are there? Maybe WSU and Idaho? I can't think of any others. There might be some new ones with the new kids (Utah-BYU, Colorado-Nebraska maybe?)

For example, USC hosts Notre Dame this season - which is also one where USC has 5 conference road games. That would have to be a requirement to make it work in the Big Ten, I would think.

Used to, a long time ago- but it was kind of an offshoot when Idaho was in and then left the Pac10. Right now, the rivalry would be restarted if Idaho 1) became a lot more popular which would lead to 2) a much bigger stadium.

I kind of wish some of the epic Rose Bowl games led to much longer B10-P10 match ups- Michigan would do Home-Home once or twice per team, but then stopped.

It sure seems as if west coast teams have a tough time making significant rivalries outside of the area, and within the area, there's slim pickings.

Funny how the two new guys will bring in instant out of conference rivalries... Colorado also plays CSU.

 

[jerphisch]

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Funny how the two new guys will bring in instant out of conference rivalries... Colorado also plays CSU.

I would expect to see the CU-CSU rivalry continue. I'm not so sure that CU-Nebraska will. That one is a rivaly for CU, but Nebraska doesn't really see it that way. I think Nebraska would prefer to continue playing Oklahoma in NC games than Colorado.

 

[bronconick]

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God, the SEC is like politics in football. Everyone's scum and they're all flinging **** at each other.

 

[Bob Gray]

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God, the SEC is like politics in football. Everyone's scum and they're all flinging **** at each other.

This is one of the best descriptions of the SEC I've ever seen.

 

[blockski]

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[bigmrg74]

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God, the SEC is like politics in football. Everyone's scum and they're all flinging **** at each other.

I think we all know what the next thread title is going to be!!!

 

[Kepler]

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It won't be politics until they demand Newton's birth certificate.

Less awful than usual SI take.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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Paul Finebaum Pulitzer, here we come.

I'm shocked, shocked to find this sort of thing happening in the SEC.

So let me get this straight, USC has one player, paid by an agent. The school didn't know but the NCAA created a new barometer of responsibility...saying that because Bush was a high-profile player they were going to ignore their own standards and punish USC...this is what we call in the legal profession ex post facto.

Now here is Cam Newton. As high profile as you can get for a player right now. A player dismissed from his previous school for cheating THREE times academically AND having possession of a stolen laptop. It seems like the school and the conference knew about these incidents and didn't care...then he gets bought and sold like chattel...if USC got what they got for Reggie Bush I say Auburn gets double what USC got. Oh, I forgot Auburn is in the SEC and they have help on the COI.

The best part is it looks like right now the SEC knew about this earlier and sat on the info. I think the entire SEC needs to be banned from the BCS.

My bet is even if the NCAA found people to testify to this being the truth, no penalties for Auburn. If USC did this, they would have gotten the death penalty. LOL.