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College Football II: The BCS hits the Fan

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Re: College Football II: The BCS hits the Fan

Holy hell. Look at the mishmash of #1 votes. That's awesome. CHAOS! I LOVE CHAOS!!!!!

Yep, going to take a while for everybody to all get on the same page about who's number one. Probably about another 2 weeks before they get to where they look about the same again, that is assuming all of the top teams keep winning.
 
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I think that only applies on fumbles beyond the line of scrimmage and/or fumbles forward. This fits neither category. I'll try to look it up later since I'm guessing the rulebook is blocked here at work.

Ok, it's only semi-blocked at work (I can use "quota time" to get to it), so I got the rule book.

That rule does apply to any fumble regardless of location or direction. The question becomes, then, whether by hitting the ground it turned from a "backward pass" into a "fumble." Basiaclly, I haven't yet found anything that says a backward pass becomes a fumble simply by hitting the ground.

Rule 2-10:
Fumble
ARTICLE 1. A fumble is any act other than passing, kicking or successful
handing that results in loss of player possession (A.R. 2-19-2-I, A.R. 4-1-3-I
and A.R. 7-2-2-I).

Rule 2-19:
Passing
ARTICLE 1. Passing the ball is throwing it. A pass continues to be a pass
until it is caught or intercepted by a player or the ball becomes dead.

Forward and Backward Pass
ARTICLE 2. a. A forward pass is determined by the point where the ball
first strikes the ground, a player, an official or anything beyond the spot
of the pass. All other passes are backward passes.

Edit 1: Found the actual rule involved:
Rule 7-2:
Caught or Recovered
ARTICLE 2. a. When a backward pass or fumble is caught or recovered by
any inbounds player, the ball continues in play (A.R. 7-2-2-I and II, A.R.
2-23-1-I).
Exceptions:
1. Rule 8-3-2-d-5 (Team A fumble on the try).
2. On fourth down before a change of team possession, when a Team
A fumble is caught or recovered by a Team A player other than the
fumbler, the ball is dead. If the catch or recovery is beyond the spot
of the fumble, the ball is returned to the spot of the fumble. If the
catch or recovery is behind the spot of the fumble, the ball remains
at the spot of the catch or recovery.

Still doesn't say whether a backward pass that hits the ground becomes a fumble or not. My inclination is that it isn't, but I'll keep looking.

Edit 2: From the approved rulings:
SECTION 23. Snapping the Ball
Approved Ruling 2-23-1
I. Fourth and goal on Team B’s five-yard line. A55’s legal snap is
muffed by A12 and (a) any player of Team A recovers and advances
the ball into the end zone, or (b) a player of Team B recovers and
advances the ball. RULING: The snap is a backward pass and may
be advanced by any player. (a) Touchdown. Since this is a backward
pass and not a fumble there is no restriction on a Team A player
recovering and advancing the ball. (b) Ball continues in play.

While not an identical situation, I think it provides enough evidence that not everything that touches the ground is a fumble, since a muffed snap is deemed a backwards pass and can be advanced.
 
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Ok, it's only semi-blocked at work (I can use "quota time" to get to it), so I got the rule book.

That rule does apply to any fumble regardless of location or direction. The question becomes, then, whether by hitting the ground it turned from a "backward pass" into a "fumble." Basiaclly, I haven't yet found anything that says a backward pass becomes a fumble simply by hitting the ground.

While not an identical situation, I think it provides enough evidence that not everything that touches the ground is a fumble, since a muffed snap is deemed a backwards pass and can be advanced.


Hmm, that's interesting, thanks for looking that up. I would have thought that a backwards pass was automatically considered a fumble, otherwise how could the other team be able to pick it up and recover it? But perhaps not.
 
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Hmm, that's interesting, thanks for looking that up. I would have thought that a backwards pass was automatically considered a fumble, otherwise how could the other team be able to pick it up and recover it? But perhaps not.

I suppose you'd technically call it an interception instead of a fumble recovery. Though in reality, you're right, it'd probably be deemed a fumble recovery for statistical purposes.

And actually, the muffed snap example does help. On 4th down, if the long snapper botches the snap to the punter, the ball isn't dead as soon as the punter picks it up, which in theory it would be if it counted as a fumble.

I think the distinction lies in the definition of fumble, which is any loss of possession other than a pass, kick, or successful handoff.

In other words, laterals (aka "backwards passes") are not ever technically fumbles, though a botched handoff would be.
 
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How would that fumble be any different than the old bounce pass play?

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Re: College Football II: The BCS hits the Fan

I think it's rather amusing that Ohio State's strength of schedule is so hideous that they're not in the top two of the BCS ranking despite being at the top of the coaches' poll.

It was especially audacious considering he took a timeout first. If you're Urban Meyer, don't you have to see that coming, at least a little bit?

Especially after MSU-ND...
 
Re: College Football II: The BCS hits the Fan

Very interesting read and lots of names named (and many at the end of the article, when contacted, admitted to it or wouldn't comment on it...which means they're guilty :))...

<a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/magazine/10/12/agent/index.html" target=new>Confessions of former NFL agent Josh Luchs</a>
 
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I thought the NCAA passed a rule against any non-green fields going forward?

They've kicked it around, but haven't outlawed it yet I believe. Part of the problem might just be them defining what "Green" is. Plus, turf fields can change color with use and maintenance. Kick up enough of the black rubber and it can star looking very dark.
 
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I've always wondered, could a team make their uniforms look like grass (both in color and in pattern)?
 
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I thought the NCAA passed a rule against any non-green fields going forward?

Everyone knows of Bozo State's Smurf turf, but did anyone catch Eastern Washington?
ewu_turf_big.jpg
 
Re: College Football II: The BCS hits the Fan

Apparently, UNH wan't in on the action, too
UnivesrityofNewHaven_1.jpg



(not THAT UNH, the other one- new haven)
 
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