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College Football 2024

bronconick said:
Not possible in a collision sport played weekly by human beings,
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I mentioned this in my OP with keeping the season the exact same length.

and Americans don't want to decide a champion like the English Premier League.
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yes, and I mentioned this above. We value excitement and profitability over accuracy and credibility. It's fine. It's a convention. I just disagree with it. Which is fine.
 
Jimjamesak said:
It wasn’t directly solely at you. It was directed at all of the people in here arguing the inane points.

Look, there’s 134 FBS teams. Unless we want every team to play 133 games there has to be some kind of playoff to decide a champion. There’s always going to be some sort of argument about who gets left out, at least now the argument is about which 2-3 loss team is left out instead of leaving out a 0-1 loss team

And no you can’t get rid of the autobids because winning your conference has to mean something.

We haven’t gotten through one season with this format, let’s maybe pump the brakes on “this isn’t working” talk.
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I think we agree on most of this. My point is you gain the most data you can with the regular season and if teams don't play or there's not enough differentiation at the top, you play the top teams and reanalyze.

My entire proposal wasn't something that I think would EVER happen in the US. There's a better chance I win the Heisman. This was just my ideal solution and me grousing.
 
If you make me emperor:

1. Conference maximum of 8 teams. Start by restoring the conferences in 1978 and start cutting.
2. Maximum RS schedule of 10 games (7 conference and 3 NC).
3. No conference playoff.
4. 8 team NC$$ tournament. Autobids to Big 10, Pac 10, SEC, Big 8, SWC, ACC RS champs. 2 at large.
5. Rotate the 7 playoff games among the 7 major bowls (Rose, Orange, Cotton, Sugar, Peach, Fiesta, Citrus).

The End
 
In 10 years most people will be happy with the B10 and SEC breaking away to create an NFL type playoff and schedule. B10 can make divisions similar to the old B10/P10 and maybe some Big East/ACC if it expands into NC/VA. SEC can do something similar with the old SEC/B12.

Then they can start working on the more important things like getting rid of education requirements and allow players to play now and get vouchers to attend the school after their playing career is over. Maybe dropping education requirements come first, who knows.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
I think we agree on most of this. My point is you gain the most data you can with the regular season and if teams don't play or there's not enough differentiation at the top, you play the top teams and reanalyze.

My entire proposal wasn't something that I think would EVER happen in the US. There's a better chance I win the Heisman. This was just my ideal solution and me grousing.
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I re-read your proposal, and you have a pretty fundamental conflict in it- you say that you don't like the randomness of one game. But the entire rating system is based off a bunch of single games- where there still is randomness. Remember, NIU beat ND. Or Vandy beat bama. So how do you accept the use of a bunch of one game "series" as the data input to force a series to eliminate randomness? How do you deal with the fact that IU's schedule was "weak" mostly because Michigan ended up sucking for most of the season. Had they been a top 5 teams, and IU won that big- that data would totally change.

I had a lot more post, but it was kind of just muddling- as the UT-OSU and the IU-ND games were good examples of pretty fair comparisons that ended up not being close games.
 
MichVandal said:
I re-read your proposal, and you have a pretty fundamental conflict in it- you say that you don't like the randomness of one game. But the entire rating system is based off a bunch of single games- where there still is randomness. Remember, NIU beat ND. Or Vandy beat bama. So how do you accept the use of a bunch of one game "series" as the data input to force a series to eliminate randomness? How do you deal with the fact that IU's schedule was "weak" mostly because Michigan ended up sucking for most of the season. Had they been a top 5 teams, and IU won that big- that data would totally change.

I had a lot more post, but it was kind of just muddling- as the UT-OSU and the IU-ND games were good examples of pretty fair comparisons that ended up not being close games.
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If I flip a coin once, I can't make any conclusions about its fairness. If I flip a coin 15 times, I can start to draw some conclusions with much more confidence.

IU's schedule gets worked into the ratings. Whether it was truly weak is for the various ratings to determine. The ratings don't care what the talking heads think. They just present numbers no different than KRACH. Well, different, because KRACH would be one of the 60+ components. Too many to game. Eventually all aspects of a team's strength are evaluated as ratings systems are vetted and accepted.

Other ratings systems take margin and strength of schedule into account. If you play ten FCS teams but beat them each by 200 points, SoS is shit but your margin of victory is so great that it gets evened out. Which is just one way to look at it.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
If I flip a coin once, I can't make any conclusions about its fairness. If I flip a coin 15 times, I can start to draw some conclusions with much more confidence.

IU's schedule gets worked into the ratings. Whether it was truly weak is for the various ratings to determine. The ratings don't care what the talking heads think. They just present numbers no different than KRACH. Well, different, because KRACH would be one of the 60+ components. Too many to game. Eventually all aspects of a team's strength are evaluated as ratings systems are vetted and accepted.

Other ratings systems take margin and strength of schedule into account. If you play ten FCS teams but beat them each by 200 points, SoS is **** but your margin of victory is so great that it gets evened out. Which is just one way to look at it.
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I get the point of multiple coin flips, but by the nature of the game, the coin is changing every time, and one, and even with the coin being weighted, it has some randomness in it. At least with college hockey, all but a handful of game are at least 2.

Like do you really blow off the game played in a really hard rain/wind if the #1 team in the country is beaten by Army because they run and the far better team has to pass? That does happen.

But because of the one game, it's a series of randomness put into it that can't be factored out when you play at least twice.

Still, any "series" for football would take many weeks to do, since it's unrealistic to expect a team to effectively play more than 3 times in three weeks. You can push one of them to 5 days, but you have to make up for that as soon as possible, since the game is very punishing to the body. Which is why Thursday games are more really bad than good.
 
MichVandal said:
I get the point of multiple coin flips, but by the nature of the game, the coin is changing every time, and one, and even with the coin being weighted, it has some randomness in it. At least with college hockey, all but a handful of game are at least 2.

Like do you really blow off the game played in a really hard rain/wind if the #1 team in the country is beaten by Army because they run and the far better team has to pass? That does happen.

But because of the one game, it's a series of randomness put into it that can't be factored out when you play at least twice.

Still, any "series" for football would take many weeks to do, since it's unrealistic to expect a team to effectively play more than 3 times in three weeks. You can push one of them to 5 days, but you have to make up for that as soon as possible, since the game is very punishing to the body. Which is why Thursday games are more really bad than good.
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The idea is that randomness is minimized the more you play, but not eliminated. It can't be. A team with four losses due to luck probably isn't in that position because a dog ran onto the field, the game was played in an ice storm (which affects both teams), the star QB caught dysentery on the way to Eugene, etc. The more a team loses because of bad luck, the less likely it's luck and more likely that it's just not the best team. It again, heads can come up 16 times in a row! There is no perfect system.

I don't want to play series unless we go back to BCS top two and do best of three. But that has issues and doesn't really solve the problem as much as my dream scenario does, IMHO. And again, the RR or 8-team bracket would follow the SAME schedule as the current playoffs.

anyways, my dream scenario is the playoffs are just more data that can be used to evaluate the teams. Less climactic, more credible.
 
MichVandal said:
There's a lot more money in the B1G than the SEC. So I'm not sure why you would conclude that.
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Is there? As universities and research grants, sure. But if that mattered the Ivies, MIT, and Cal Tech would have dominant TV contracts.

It's the SEC's captive sport. The rest of us, including Notre Dame, are esoteric NC schedule fodder that gets a deep run once a decade. Think of how many people outside their states have Alabama or Tennessee gear. Does anyone outside any B10 school state have the slightest interest?

Every blue state has trailer park cesspools of SEC fans. There's just nothing comparable except for the Irish's Catholic headlock.
 
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Kepler said:
Is there? As universities and research grants, sure. But if that mattered the Ivies, MIT, and Cal Tech would have dominant TV contracts.

It's the SEC's captive sport. The rest of us, including Notre Dame, are esoteric NC schedule fodder that gets a deep run once a decade. Think of how many people outside their states have Alabama or Tennessee gear. Does anyone outside any B10 school state have the slightest interest?
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I'm pretty sure, the only SEC teams that are that significant are Bama and Texas. And the BTN income is really strong for the schools. This article points out the B1G had more revenue in 2023 than the SEC did- https://www.foxsports.com/stories/c...-conferences-revenue-athlete-pay-plan-horizon And each school pay out was $10M more than the SEC schools. And has a point where the B1G has been the richest conference for the last 5 seasons.

Remember, the P10 teams chose the B1G for a reason.
 
MichVandal said:
I'm pretty sure, the only SEC teams that are that significant are Bama and Texas. And the BTN income is really strong for the schools. This article points out the B1G had more revenue in 2023 than the SEC did- https://www.foxsports.com/stories/co...y-plan-horizon And each school pay out was $10M more than the SEC schools. And has a point where the B1G has been the richest conference for the last 5 seasons.

Remember, the P10 teams chose the B1G for a reason.
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Could be. I may have been stuck in these benighted semi-southern slums for too long.

It could also be that B10 alumni have jobs while the SEC's are all on the Lottery Ticket Retirement Plan. You can't sell trucks to the indigent.
 
Kepler said:
Is there? As universities and research grants, sure. But if that mattered the Ivies, MIT, and Cal Tech would have dominant TV contracts.

It's the SEC's captive sport. The rest of us, including Notre Dame, are esoteric NC schedule fodder that gets a deep run once a decade. Think of how many people outside their states have Alabama or Tennessee gear. Does anyone outside any B10 school state have the slightest interest?

Every blue state has trailer park cesspools of SEC fans. There's just nothing comparable except for the Irish's Catholic headlock.
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Market size is everything. B1G has huge chunks of the Northeast and the entire Midwest plus Seattle and LA now. SEC has Atlanta and Nashville plus Texas. Blue state trailer trash doesn’t root for the SEC (see Oregon and Michigan).

Not to mention the B1G has wealthier alumni.
 
Jimjamesak said:
Blue state trailer trash doesn't root for the SEC (see Oregon and Michigan).
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I can only judge by states I've lived in:

NY: downstate has no trailers; southern tier is Penn State, western part of the state has WV (?!) stuff all over
MA: mostly they don't care about college football; sporadic dumb sh-t AL, TX, GA, TN, FL stuff
CA: UC Eugene, some AZ, tons of front runner SEC stuff
NC: SEC banquet with occasional VT when they were good
OR: UW, tons of southern derp; I've actually seen pockets of ID and MT stuff
MD: Penn State almost exclusively
VA: AL, NC, NC State, then SEC whack-a-mole

The SEC is like NASCAR. It's hayseed recognize themselves everywhere. The B10 just doesn't have anybody with that level of Rock Stupid except the University of Nowledge.
 
Kepler said:
Could be. I may have been stuck in these benighted semi-southern slums for too long.

It could also be that B10 alumni have jobs while the SEC's are all on the Lottery Ticket Retirement Plan. You can't sell trucks to the indigent.
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I don’t have twitter anymore (duh) but I used to follow Conor Sen- Atlanta based financial guy who wasn’t too “bro” . Think he’s from a northern state. Anyway. He was always posting about how southern schools are where everyone wants to go, no one will want to go to schools where it’s not Atlanta weather, etc. and yes, apps are up at some of those schools.

but CA schools still dominate. And at some point, college kids who might want to have sex are gonna learn that the southern states are gonna make them have babies
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
I don’t have twitter anymore (duh) but I used to follow Conor Sen- Atlanta based financial guy who wasn’t too “bro” . Think he’s from a northern state. Anyway. He was always posting about how southern schools are where everyone wants to go, no one will want to go to schools where it’s not Atlanta weather, etc. and yes, apps are up at some of those schools.

but CA schools still dominate. And at some point, college kids who might want to have sex are gonna learn that the southern states are gonna make them have babies
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Do it in the pooper or come on her face.
no babies then
 
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