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College Football 2024

Unfair to punish Tennessee with a road game like this; it's hard to understand how difficult it is to get through a SEC schedule with only two losses.
 
Bronco said:
It wouldn't surprise me at all if that is a real change in a couple seasons.
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Too bad ND wont get a bye.

But, yea. They will line up all of the excuses, much like how B1G teams “suffer” at the Orange Bowl when it’s 80 there on New Years Day.
 
Here's my proposal:

My primary objective is to find the best team in the nation. The team with the most compelling argument of being the best.

I don't like playoffs. I hate single elimination playoffs. Take the following scenario: The gophers and Wisconsin play the exact same schedule, beat the same teams, lose to the same teams, and when they play each other Minnesota wins all four game. They make it to the finals and play each other. Wisconsin wins. Who is the better team?

I think you need playoffs to get more data. Take the following scenario: The gophers and Boston College play similarly difficult schedules and have an argument to be the best team in the nation but they never play because in this world we don't have playoffs. Who is the better team?

Bring it back to football. There are like 130 teams who play extremely disparate schedules with so few games that you'd never get a full picture or have enough data. Enough data is available that you can rate teams with dozens of systems and compile those into a composite rating. Flaws and strengths of each rating system get averaged out. All aspects are considered. Record, strength of schedule, strength of victory, statistical performance of defense and offense, etc.

At the end of conference play you take either the top four or eight teams from the entire field irrespective of conference. In the eight-team scenario you play a standard seeded tournament. In the four-team scenario you play a round-robin format. The season stays the same length as today.

Both ensure the teams with the best resumes play the other teams with the best resumes. At the end of both you would rerate all 130ish teams with the same composite and the team at the top is semi-objectively crowned the best team. The playoffs or RR winner can get a small trophy marking this meaningful but not all-important result.

It is almost impossible to get an objective champion without playing enough games. I don't know what that number is, but it's not feasible. Best of seven gets you close. But we're not extending the season two months.

The only way to get close to fulfilling the goal of picking the best team is by getting data and analyzing it with enough systems to determine which team performed the best throughout the entirety of the season. Single games are too random.
 
While the 12 team format is not ideal hence spreads such as....

#6 Penn State (-11) vs. #3 Boise State
#5 Texas (-13.5) vs. #4 Arizona State
#8 Ohio State (-2.5) vs. #1 Oregon

...it's still imho better than it was. Even if you perfectly "math" your way to a field there are going to be complaints.

Honestly if you want to create more crossover to feel better about comparing teams, the P5 conferences have to agree to have some type of system of rotating inter-locking NC schedules sort of like how the B1G and (ACC?) have a NC crossover in basketball every year, and no more scheduling NE Louisiana Tech St or Florida Polytechnic bulls**t.
 
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How is it overcomplicated? We already have the rating system and it's been around for 20+ years. A twelve team bracket with the top four ranked teams getting byes is much more complicated than what I described.
 
How does that solve anything? The ranking system is not really subjective, especially when one of the major media groups have a financial interest in two of the conferences. Even when it was just 2 teams, there were blow outs, let alone how common it was for 4.

what is the problem you are trying to solve?
 
Slap Shot said:
While the 12 team format is not ideal hence spreads such as....

#6 Penn State (-11) vs. #3 Boise State
#5 Texas (-13.5) vs. #4 Arizona State
#8 Ohio State (-2.5) vs. #1 Oregon

...it's still imho better than it was. Even if you perfectly "math" your way to a field there are going to be complaints.

Honestly if you want to create more crossover to feel better about comparing teams, the P5 conferences have to agree to have some type of system of rotating inter-locking NC schedules sort of like how the B1G and (ACC?) have a NC crossover in basketball every year, and no more scheduling NE Louisiana Tech St or Florida Polytechnic bulls**t.
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This is a perfect example as to how spreads are driven by "blind" betting $$$ over what people actually think the outcome will be.

All the favorites in this will have a crap ton more $$$ put on them because of the name. So books need to compensate to the other side to get $$$ being put on them.

Using MoneyLine odds to support strength is a massive flaw.
 
RaceBoarder said:
This is a perfect example as to how spreads are driven by "blind" betting $$$ over what people actually think the outcome will be.

All the favorites in this will have a crap ton more $$$ put on them because of the name. So books need to compensate to the other side to get $$$ being put on them.

Using MoneyLine odds to support strength is a massive flaw.
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So you're saying spreads are rarely covered by the favorite and/or massively missed? We're not talking minute spreads in 2/3 so even if you factor in somb bulls**t they're still pretty disparate.
 
MichVandal said:
Too bad ND wont get a bye.

But, yea. They will line up all of the excuses, much like how B1G teams “suffer” at the Orange Bowl when it’s 80 there on New Years Day.
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I remember way back when the PAC-12 used to always kick the Big 10 butts in the Rose Bowl, I had a Big 10 fan tell me that’s because all the players from the Big 10 school get too distracted by the Southern California girls.

Seriously. He really used that as the excuse.
 
MichVandal said:
How does that solve anything? The ranking system is not really subjective, especially when one of the major media groups have a financial interest in two of the conferences. Even when it was just 2 teams, there were blow outs, let alone how common it was for 4.

what is the problem you are trying to solve?
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That playoffs are shitty ways to determine best team?

and that these ratings systems are completely divorced from ESPN except for ESPN's one entry in the 60+ systems used to make the composite.
 
Slap Shot said:
While the 12 team format is not ideal hence spreads such as....

#6 Penn State (-11) vs. #3 Boise State
#5 Texas (-13.5) vs. #4 Arizona State
#8 Ohio State (-2.5) vs. #1 Oregon

...it's still imho better than it was. Even if you perfectly "math" your way to a field there are going to be complaints.

Honestly if you want to create more crossover to feel better about comparing teams, the P5 conferences have to agree to have some type of system of rotating inter-locking NC schedules sort of like how the B1G and (ACC?) have a NC crossover in basketball every year, and no more scheduling NE Louisiana Tech St or Florida Polytechnic bulls**t.
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There is already a system for football playoffs that is in place and has worked successfully for years. Say what you want but the FCS system works great, and FBS needs to copy it.

24 teams, with the eight highest seeds getting byes (no auto byes for conference winners or any of that bs).

People worried about the bowl system, but the bowl system is practically dead anyways, except for the "bowls" that get to host the next couple of games.

You are going to see more and more teams just bail out on bowl invites after they fail to make the playoffs, and after they lose a bunch of players to the portal. With a playoff system in place, half as many people want to watch the Pinstripe Bowl as there were before, and before there were only six people.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
That playoffs are ****ty ways to determine best team?
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Why? Playoffs/Tournament are how every single other championship is decided- including DIAA, DII, and DIII. Why can't the big schools do the same thing?

And the subjective nature of the seeding is the same for the other divisions, as well as it ls for most other sports.

The group putting this together use a system like you want to, deciding who had the best record and best schedule- just because the line up isn't what you think it should be doesn't mean they are not trying to make that happen. Heck, in one weekend, both the concept that IN may be overrated AND the SEC is overrated came true.

Also, I think trying to get the best X# of teams regardless of record is bad- bama should be punished for losing 3 games- especially losing to Vandy. And one of the other teams they got beat by were steamrolled.

Lastly, as I pointed out before, these outcomes are hardly unique- bowl games are regularly blow outs, the BCS top 2 were regularly blow outs, and there were regularly blow outs when it was 4. I don't see that as an indicator of a flaw in the system, but a flaw in the teams and how they prepared.

The only actual alternative to a playoff kind of system is bowls and then opinions. No going back to that, now.
 
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