College Football 2022: “Here’s a twenty, bury two.”

[bronconick]

He's had a couple off games here and there (ASU, OSU, WSU). Bad timing to have it tonight.

 

[Bronco]

Congrats Michigan. Defensive depth wins championships.

 

[MichVandal]

Wow. Just pressured Penix all night and somehow even beat him up a little. The D made him miss passes he made against Texas.

The offense went quiet for 2 solid quarters, but came back for the 4th. Heck of a game.

 

[walrus]

Trending, Hail to the cheaters.

 

[MichVandal]

Trending, Hail to the cheaters.

Bet.

 

[Kepler]

Bet.

That train left the station more than a hundred years ago. The power conferences are synonymous with cheating. Teams that win titles are just better at cheating than the other cheaters.

 

[MichVandal]

That train left the station more than a hundred years ago. The power conferences are synonymous with cheating. Teams that win titles are just better at cheating than the other cheaters.

Sure, but if other teams, especially their coaching staffs, think this was all about cheating, I fully support that line of THEIR thinking. Be obsessed with the totally wrong thing, and not look inside why you got beat. Especially that team down south.

Everything why you lost was because of cheating- go for it.

 

[First Time Long Time]

Sure, but if other teams, especially their coaching staffs, think this was all about cheating, I fully support that line of THEIR thinking. Be obsessed with the totally wrong thing, and not look inside why you got beat. Especially that team down south.

Everything why you lost was because of cheating- go for it.

It's not that people think it was all about cheating... Michigan was cheating and it's fairly evident and all that's happened to them is hand slaps so far. That's what has most people angry I think is that you shouldn't even been in the position to win the title Yes you may have had the best team but how did you build that team? What else has been going on the Michigan's been getting away with? If everybody's cheating then just let everybody cheat... Be open about it then.
But most of what I'm seeing is we know they cheated and nothing happens to them.
I get you're going to defend your school and you're going to defend your program but Harbaugh is dirty and everybody knows it.

 

[bronconick]

Harbaugh is weird af but he's no more dirty than any other coach. Thinking the NCAA is going to do anything after they twiddled their thumbs on North Carolina's fake classes athletic department is funny.

 

[First Time Long Time]

Harbaugh is weird af but he's no more dirty than any other coach. Thinking the NCAA is going to do anything after they twiddled their thumbs on North Carolina's fake classes athletic department is funny.

Oh I have no expectations that they're going to actually do anything to him...
That's my thing if you're going to let him cheat just let everybody do it and do it openly...drop the pretense of amateurism and just let them do what they want.
I can at least respect that then trying to hide behind "we're just amateur athletics" well maybe we'll pay the players here a little bit... Just reeks of hypocrisy from the NCAA. It's no big secret that the power 5 football programs are pretty much football factories...so just drop the amateurism act and admit what they are.
My problem is the hand slapping for little things to try and show that they're "doing something" while doing nothing about things like the fake classes at North Carolina.

 

[Kepler]

Sure, but if other teams, especially their coaching staffs, think this was all about cheating, I fully support that line of THEIR thinking. Be obsessed with the totally wrong thing, and not look inside why you got beat. Especially that team down south.

Everything why you lost was because of cheating- go for it.

Yep, absolutely correct. Your inability to face reality helps me when we compete. cf. the Dumpies.

 

[MichVandal]

It's not that people think it was all about cheating... Michigan was cheating and it's fairly evident and all that's happened to them is hand slaps so far. That's what has most people angry I think is that you shouldn't even been in the position to win the title Yes you may have had the best team but how did you build that team? What else has been going on the Michigan's been getting away with? If everybody's cheating then just let everybody cheat... Be open about it then.
But most of what I'm seeing is we know they cheated and nothing happens to them.
I get you're going to defend your school and you're going to defend your program but Harbaugh is dirty and everybody knows it.

Do you honestly think it was an advantage? Even when it was out and Michigan played the best teams of the season?

Especially since the actual violation was attending the games- as sign stealing isn't illegal- it's part of the game. And it wasn't an institutional thing, it was one guy somehow getting some support to go to the games. The idea of using your iphone to tape being some special modern technology? Really?

It all comes down to some person giving money to a guy who happens to be on the staff to have people go and attend other teams games. You ban a team from playing because of that?

Jim Harbaugh is specifically dirty? In what way? Other than trying to hide a minor recruiting violation, how is Jim Harbaugh specifically dirty?

As for what else is Michigan getting away with- what about the rest of the teams? Mind you, OSU has had a coach fired for violations. And MSU just had a coach fired for being a bad person.

And for the idea of paying- that ship sailed with NIL. It's reality that college football players get more money playing football than on many rookie contracts.

 

[MichVandal]

Oh I have no expectations that they're going to actually do anything to him...
That's my thing if you're going to let him cheat just let everybody do it and do it openly...drop the pretense of amateurism and just let them do what they want.
I can at least respect that then trying to hide behind "we're just amateur athletics" well maybe we'll pay the players here a little bit... Just reeks of hypocrisy from the NCAA. It's no big secret that the power 5 football programs are pretty much football factories...so just drop the amateurism act and admit what they are.
My problem is the hand slapping for little things to try and show that they're "doing something" while doing nothing about things like the fake classes at North Carolina.

Since this is a thread pretending that college sports is still amateur, NIL voided that thinking a few seasons ago. Players actually do get money. And it's legal. And what they do with the money is up to the players- like how Corum provided many T-giving meals to many people with the money he got from NIL.

Not even your college hockey team is amateur anymore.

 

[Kepler]

Since this is a thread pretending that college sports is still amateur, NIL voided that thinking a few seasons ago. Players actually do get money. And it's legal. And what they do with the money is up to the players- like how Corum provided many T-giving meals to many people with the money he got from NIL.

Not even your college hockey team is amateur anymore.

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[First Time Long Time]

Do you honestly think it was an advantage? Even when it was out and Michigan played the best teams of the season?

Especially since the actual violation was attending the games- as sign stealing isn't illegal- it's part of the game. And it wasn't an institutional thing, it was one guy somehow getting some support to go to the games. The idea of using your iphone to tape being some special modern technology? Really?

It all comes down to some person giving money to a guy who happens to be on the staff to have people go and attend other teams games. You ban a team from playing because of that?

Jim Harbaugh is specifically dirty? In what way? Other than trying to hide a minor recruiting violation, how is Jim Harbaugh specifically dirty?

As for what else is Michigan getting away with- what about the rest of the teams? Mind you, OSU has had a coach fired for violations. And MSU just had a coach fired for being a bad person.

And for the idea of paying- that ship sailed with NIL. It's reality that college football players get more money playing football than on many rookie contracts.

Like I said you're going to defend your program You're going to defend your coach. My opinion of harbaugh is he will do anything to win regardless of legal or not. Yes paying the players with NIL is now legal... But do you think he's stopping with that? Again it's not harbaugh specifically and I can admit I just don't like the guy I think he's a scumbag I think he's slimy and I don't think he's some great overall dude that gets portrayed from the people around the Michigan program.
Again I have no pretense that Michigan is the only program doing it like I said every single power five team does so just admit it. That's my bigger issue is it the NCAA selectively goes while these little things were going to slap your hands for because we have to look like we're doing something but we know that it isn't stopping with paying the players.
As for my college hockey team not being amateur anymore fine I accept that...through NIL you're right they're not... It's just funny going back and rewatching documentaries like Pony Excess where paying players killed a program when now it's legal.
Again for me the issue is no one with a brain actually thinks it stops with what's legal... And the pretense that the NCAA and these massive football factory schools are just amateur academic sports institutions. It's crap. So just admit it... And for the NCAA stop punishing little crap or actually hammer these schools for breaking rules.
It's the hypocrisy I have a problem with and right now Michigan's just the current target nothing personal against you nothing personal against Michigan specifically other than I think Harbaugh is a scumbag...

 

[MichVandal]

Like I said you're going to defend your program You're going to defend your coach. My opinion of harbaugh is he will do anything to win regardless of legal or not. Yes paying the players with NIL is now legal... But do you think he's stopping with that? Again it's not harbaugh specifically and I can admit I just don't like the guy I think he's a scumbag I think he's slimy and I don't think he's some great overall dude that gets portrayed from the people around the Michigan program.
Again I have no pretense that Michigan is the only program doing it like I said every single power five team does so just admit it. That's my bigger issue is it the NCAA selectively goes while these little things were going to slap your hands for because we have to look like we're doing something but we know that it isn't stopping with paying the players.
As for my college hockey team not being amateur anymore fine I accept that...through NIL you're right they're not... It's just funny going back and rewatching documentaries like Pony Excess where paying players killed a program when now it's legal.
Again for me the issue is no one with a brain actually thinks it stops with what's legal... And the pretense that the NCAA and these massive football factory schools are just amateur academic sports institutions. It's crap. So just admit it... And for the NCAA stop punishing little crap or actually hammer these schools for breaking rules.
It's the hypocrisy I have a problem with and right now Michigan's just the current target nothing personal against you nothing personal against Michigan specifically other than I think Harbaugh is a scumbag...

So you are just assuming, then. Ok. Feel the way you want to feel.

I've posted before that I think Jim is an odd person, so I'm not really defending him, personally. What I am doing is asking what *specifically with data* he has done wrong. And all you can come up with is that he must be doing something wrong because Michigan is winning? Again, I sure hope your coaching staff thinks exactly that, as it probably misses other reasons why they are winning.

If you honestly think that Harbaugh is going above and beyond the rules (and the laws?) to win, without any actual evidence, you have to think that of all coaches for all programs, including your hockey coach. Basically, you are damning all of the NCAA.

The only think I can think of damning Harbaugh as going above the rules is that he's actually said he'd like to be able to use his salary to pay the players. Or that the paying of the players can be better than the odd NIL laws.

You are also kind of riffing on the "get off my lawn" since the whole "football factory" thing goes back a century, and has stayed for the entire time.

 

[MichVandal]

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I know people like the fantasy that these are amateur players of games. But for how long have people been making a lot of money off the backs of these amateurs? Do we really want people to go out, work hard, risk their bodies, only to make a ton of money for other people?

 

[Kepler]

I know people like the fantasy that these are amateur players of games. But for how long have people been making a lot of money off the backs of these amateurs? Do we really want people to go out, work hard, risk their bodies, only to make a ton of money for other people?

You don't have to convince me, I am all for it. But let's not kid ourselves. They aren't amateurs, and 90% of them in football and basketball aren't students.

As hypocrisies go, I don't see anyone hurt by this one, except the athletes themselves, which is why I want them to unionize and put a gun to the universities' and media's heads.

 

[First Time Long Time]

So you are just assuming, then. Ok. Feel the way you want to feel.

I've posted before that I think Jim is an odd person, so I'm not really defending him, personally. What I am doing is asking what *specifically with data* he has done wrong. And all you can come up with is that he must be doing something wrong because Michigan is winning? Again, I sure hope your coaching staff thinks exactly that, as it probably misses other reasons why they are winning.

If you honestly think that Harbaugh is going above and beyond the rules (and the laws?) to win, without any actual evidence, you have to think that of all coaches for all programs, including your hockey coach. Basically, you are damning all of the NCAA.

The only think I can think of damning Harbaugh as going above the rules is that he's actually said he'd like to be able to use his salary to pay the players. Or that the paying of the players can be better than the odd NIL laws.

You are also kind of riffing on the "get off my lawn" since the whole "football factory" thing goes back a century, and has stayed for the entire time.

Again and I said it... At the power 5 level yes I do think all the coaches are cheating...all of them... At least in football and possibly basketball because those are the two biggest moneymakers out there and those have the "doing anything to win" attitudes that most fans are willing to overlook... And certainly the NCAA is willing to overlook. I don't necessarily think it happens in all sports not even hockey because they're just isn't enough money to be made there for it to matter at every program.
But Harbaugh's already been caught with the sign stealing thing and the in person scouting and he's been charged with a level 1 violation for allegedly providing false or misleading information into recruiting infractions during the COVID dead period.
But it does seem like you're taking it personal because it's your coach this time well sorry but a lot of fans are going to assume that any team who is winning and winning it a high level in football and basketball is likely cheating to do it. That's just a nature of it... Especially when that coach has already been caught with violations no one's going to believe that that's the only thing happening. Is it conspiratorial sure... But it's also the nature of the business and it's just what's going to happen.
Getting defensive because people are going to go "yeah but they cheated"... sorry that just comes with the territory now.

 

[unofan]

If you think cheating is limited to football and men's basketball, go read Creighton's volleyball coach's admonition to her colleagues about the collision of the transfer portal, NIL, and recruiting rules. It's just as bad in the other sports, too. In some ways even worse because they're out of the limelight.