College Football 2010: Dude, Where's my Conference?

[GreatLakerMohawk]

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That's great for the Big 10, and probably great for Rutgers. Well, except Penn State already has a pretty good pipeline into New Jersey established...

On the Big East side of the ledger...Rutgers is a warm body.

The Big East dropped the ball by not being more aggressive sooner. That said, considering the ACC is going to get picked apart by the SEC, perhaps the Big East should take back what was once theirs and thensome.

 

[amherstblackbear]

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The Big East dropped the ball by not being more aggressive sooner. That said, considering the ACC is going to get picked apart by the SEC, perhaps the Big East should take back what was once theirs and thensome.

If by that you mean Boston College, then sure. But if VaTech (and Miami) have a chance to go to the SEC, what could the Big East offer that would top it?

Tennessee needs a new rival anyway, now that they're firmly in tier-2 status.

 

[blockski]

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The Big East dropped the ball by not being more aggressive sooner. That said, considering the ACC is going to get picked apart by the SEC, perhaps the Big East should take back what was once theirs and thensome.

Yeah, that's the key. If the ACC goes down, then maybe the Big East can survive as more of a merger between what's left of the ACC and the BE.

At the same time, that opens the door for the Big Ten to pick off some of the more lucrative schools from the ACC for an eastern presence - instead of just picking from the Big East. Maryland gets thrown around a lot - they had a long history with Penn State back in the days of PSU independence. They've certainly got the academic chops for the Big Ten and bring a large market(s) with DC and Baltimore. I've seen thoughts of packaging them with Rutgers, or even packaging them with UVA.

 

[RMUColonials]

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The Big East dropped the ball by not being more aggressive sooner. That said, considering the ACC is going to get picked apart by the SEC, perhaps the Big East should take back what was once theirs and thensome.

Not sure what the BE could have done to be aggressive, outside of the bad decision in the early 80's to vote PSU down for membership.

 

[kingdobbs]

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The Big East dropped the ball by not being more aggressive sooner. That said, considering the ACC is going to get picked apart by the SEC, perhaps the Big East should take back what was once theirs and thensome.

Aggressive in what direction, and to what purpose? About the only aggressive offer the Big East could've made would've been "all in or all out" on Notre Dame. Nobody was gonna come to the Big East that would make the league better, and nobody that the Big East can get would be worth a ****.

The Big East's only options, post-2004, were "hope that nobody noticed us" or "be picked apart like a zebra carcass on the Serengeti".

Right now, it seems to be looking like the former is closer to what's going to happen. When the Big Ten started their talk, it seemed like the latter was inevitable.

 

[blockski]

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Not sure what the BE could have done to be aggressive, outside of the bad decision in the early 80's to vote PSU down for membership.

Even with PSU, that would have just kept the Big East in the same situation as the current Big XII finds itself - lopsided in favor of Texas (or PSU) and highly unstable.

 

[Patman]

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What I find funny is that an excercise meant to force Notre dame into the big10 fold has split open a tenuous big12 involving the pac10.

I think at this point nobody knows what's going on... and I think further its possible that nobody will like the result... even those orchestrating the moves. This could end in a lumpy mess... and I've seen on person opine that instead of that magical "64" you could end up at an awkward "40something" leaving a lot of former major players and those who would be contenders sitting out of the whole mess.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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The Big 10 wants a New Jersey school because New Jersey is maybe the best football recruiting state in the northeast. What they'd lack in pizazz they'd make up for by building a pipeline into New Jersey.

I'll go with NYC television market as my guess instead.

 

[GreatLakerMohawk]

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Aggressive in what direction, and to what purpose? About the only aggressive offer the Big East could've made would've been "all in or all out" on Notre Dame. Nobody was gonna come to the Big East that would make the league better, and nobody that the Big East can get would be worth a ****.

The Big East's only options, post-2004, were "hope that nobody noticed us" or "be picked apart like a zebra carcass on the Serengeti".

Right now, it seems to be looking like the former is closer to what's going to happen. When the Big Ten started their talk, it seemed like the latter was inevitable.

If the Big Ten decides they want to go after SU and Pitt as well as Rutgers, then it's time to call it off. As of yet, no one has any idea what direction the Big Ten wants to go in. Digging into western PA they've already done with Penn State and grabbing Pitt seems like a no-brainer. Getting the only real college football program in New York State as well as the only program in New Jersey seem like logical steps to draw the line between themselves and the SEC. Re-draw a Mason-Dixon line so to speak and then wait and see how much the ACC folds up the tents.

If the Big East wants to fight though, re-grabbing BC and VaTech as well as UVA and Maryland might not be the worst idea. Let the Carolina schools, Georgia Tech and Miami go to the SEC and be done with it.

 

[GreatLakerMohawk]

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I'll go with NYC television market as my guess instead.

You overestimate how many people in NYC give a rats arse about Rutgers.

 

[Priceless]

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What I find funny is that an excercise meant to force Notre dame into the big10 fold has split open a tenuous big12 involving the pac10.

I think at this point nobody knows what's going on... and I think further its possible that nobody will like the result... even those orchestrating the moves. This could end in a lumpy mess... and I've seen on person opine that instead of that magical "64" you could end up at an awkward "40something" leaving a lot of former major players and those who would be contenders sitting out of the whole mess.

Nah, the major powers will keep a few small schools around...Goliath needs someone to beat up.

 

[boblav1]

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From USA Today: Pac-10 announces addition of Colorado.
Still waiting to see what Nebraska does.

 

[RMUColonials]

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Even with PSU, that would have just kept the Big East in the same situation as the current Big XII finds itself - lopsided in favor of Texas (or PSU) and highly unstable.

With Penn State in the fold, they probably have a better TV deal, which might have kept Miami, VT, and BC from leaving.

 

[Patman]

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Nah, the major powers will keep a few small schools around...Goliath needs someone to beat up.

See... here's the thing... you assume that they're smart and rational (and since I'm at work I'll avoid the politics bit)... I assume that the people in the conferences think certain things... the people at the schools think certain things... and in the end there's some awkward mess. I could go into this in detail... but I don't think the end product of this "re-alignment" will be clean by any means... even for those for whom will be the "winners".

I think the smoke will clear... and a new reality will be carved out of this mess... but it won't be something ideal and it'll pose new challenges. This is all an awkward money game... a "multi-super conference" quasi-pro setup requires planning. This mess is the opposite of planning.

 

[Priceless]

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See... here's the thing... you assume that they're smart and rational (and since I'm at work I'll avoid the politics bit)... I assume that the people in the conferences think certain things... the people at the schools think certain things... and in the end there's some awkward mess. I could go into this in detail... but I don't think the end product of this "re-alignment" will be clean by any means... even for those for whom will be the "winners".

I think the smoke will clear... and a new reality will be carved out of this mess... but it won't be something ideal and it'll pose new challenges. This is all an awkward money game... a "multi-super conference" quasi-pro setup requires planning. This mess is the opposite of planning.

I think there are problems looming, but I think a few people at these schools have already done planning they're just being quiet about it. And no, not everything goes as planned and there are usually unforeseen circumstances, but I think when all is said and done it will be settled fairly equitably. There should be more than one Congresscritter who holds hearings to inquire about collusion.

 

[kingdobbs]

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If the Big Ten decides they want to go after SU and Pitt as well as Rutgers, then it's time to call it off. As of yet, no one has any idea what direction the Big Ten wants to go in.

On these points I register no disagreement. Syracuse is perhaps the linchpin; it's the long-term rivalries that the BEB schools (particularly Nova, Gtown and the Johnnies) have built with Syracuse that they want to preserve.

If the Big East wants to fight though, re-grabbing BC and VaTech as well as UVA and Maryland might not be the worst idea. Let the Carolina schools, Georgia Tech and Miami go to the SEC and be done with it.

It's not a crazy idea, but it's not one for which I am sanguine regarding its success, especially not in the face of the ACC getting a huge new contract with ESPN.

You overestimate how many people in NYC give a rats arse about Rutgers.

It's less about the NYC television market and more about the increased subscriber fees that the BTN can get out of New Jersey (and presumably Philadelphia-area as well) cable companies.

Discussions of how best to get the NYC college football market begin with Notre Dame and follow with Penn State.

 

[blockski]

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See... here's the thing... you assume that they're smart and rational (and since I'm at work I'll avoid the politics bit)... I assume that the people in the conferences think certain things... the people at the schools think certain things... and in the end there's some awkward mess. I could go into this in detail... but I don't think the end product of this "re-alignment" will be clean by any means... even for those for whom will be the "winners".

I think the smoke will clear... and a new reality will be carved out of this mess... but it won't be something ideal and it'll pose new challenges. This is all an awkward money game... a "multi-super conference" quasi-pro setup requires planning. This mess is the opposite of planning.

This is a load of crap.

There's been plenty of planning and strategizing, it's all just been done behind the scenes.

Think of all the college hockey realignment proposals we've seen. How many of them end up massively screwing over a few teams? Even if those proposals are entirely rational and thought-out, you expect those schools to just roll over and take it?

No, the end product won't be clean, but that won't change with more 'planning.' That's not how systems like this evolve.

 

[Kepler]

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You overestimate how many people in NYC give a rats arse about Rutgers.

There are at least 10 Notre Dame fans in the NY SMSA for every Rutgers fan. Maybe 20. Maybe even 50. They're the closest there is to a "home" football power in the NYC area, and that isn't saying much.

Nobody northeast of Happy Valley cares about college football.

 

[Priceless]

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So, if the college football powers opt out of the NCAA, does that mean USC can ignore the sanctions headed its way?
(I'm only half kidding here...dropping out of the NCAA would mean they can ignore their rules)

 

[HumRsky]

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Forgive me if this has been discussed, but I think it would be outstanding if Colorado and Nebraska left the Big XII, but the conference remained intact, and we ended up with a Twelve team Big Ten and a X team Big XII. Try explaining that to someone new to American college sports.