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College Football 2010: Dude, Where's my Conference?

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Craig P. said:
No, I mean similar.

The Integer gets about 22 million per school, total.

ND gets something like 15 million from NBC if rumors are to be believed. In a good year, we'll get at least 4 million in bowl money, and we get about 2 million from the Big East for non-football sports.
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The thing is that the Big Ten, with the BTN, is poised to grow that value a great deal. ND's deal with NBC is static and likely to shrink, particularly if ND finds itself on the outside looking in to a world of the Super Death Star Conference.
 
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Handyman said:
Here are the numbers from 07-08 FWIW:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sp...ke-in-in-200708-this-chart-will-tell-you.html

11th Kansas $86,009,257 Big 12
14th Notre Dame $83,352,439 Independent

That seems to be total athletic budget.

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20th Nebraska $75,492,884 Big 12
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That number doesn't tell you about shared revenue, though. That figure in relation to the Big Ten and Notre Dame is the stuff that's shared amongst schools, i.e. TV revenue, Bowl payouts, and the like. That total revenue includes ticket sales, merchandise sales, and other revenues that are not shared amongst the conference.
 
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So USC basketball does something way worse than football and they get a slap on the wrist. USC football has one player and his family do something and they get the worst punishment in NCAA football history since SMU. :rolleyes:
 
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blockski said:
That number doesn't tell you about shared revenue, though. That figure in relation to the Big Ten and Notre Dame is the stuff that's shared amongst schools, i.e. TV revenue, Bowl payouts, and the like. That total revenue includes ticket sales, merchandise sales, and other revenues that are not shared amongst the conference.
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He was asking for proof of dx's numbers that Kansas brought in $3 million more than Notre Dame...those are the official athletic department revenues for those respective schools in that specific year. That was the point, if Craig wants it further broken down he has access to a computer he can do it himself.
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
So USC basketball does something way worse than football and they get a slap on the wrist. USC football has one player and his family do something and they get the worst punishment in NCAA football history since SMU. :rolleyes:
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Part of it is the cumulative effect...the basketball program got the school put on probation. The football program broke the rules while the school was on probation.

Think of it as a card for cumulative fouls. The first one might have been way worse than the one that ultimately drew the card.
 
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amherstblackbear said:
Those figures include state support of university athletics.
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Yes I know, this isnt my arugument I am just offering some numbers since Craig doubted them so much. As someone who wants Notre Dame nowhere near the Big Ten I hope the numbers convince the Domers to stay away...I revel in their mediocrity :D
 
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CLS said:
Sucks that slimeball Pete Carroll skipped town, and ordinarlly I'd feel sorry for his successor. But given who his successor is, I hope that they have a game scheduled with Tennesee in three years.
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Aren't you a Maine fan? :D
 
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unofan said:
Part of it is the cumulative effect...the basketball program got the school put on probation. The football program broke the rules while the school was on probation.

Think of it as a card for cumulative fouls. The first one might have been way worse than the one that ultimately drew the card.
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Exactly. USC has no grounds for any complaints.
 
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unofan said:
Part of it is the cumulative effect...the basketball program got the school put on probation. The football program broke the rules while the school was on probation.

Think of it as a card for cumulative fouls. The first one might have been way worse than the one that ultimately drew the card.
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The stupidest part is USC self sanctioned the basketball team with a really lame sanction and the NCAA bought it.

The cumulative foul is actually for the USC diving team or swimming from 2001. Those idiots got the Florida State kind of academic help.
 
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Handyman said:
He was asking for proof of dx's numbers that Kansas brought in $3 million more than Notre Dame...those are the official athletic department revenues for those respective schools in that specific year. That was the point, if Craig wants it further broken down he has access to a computer he can do it himself.
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Right, but that's not an equivalent number to show what a team's value to a conference would be. To have it make sense, a team would have to add as much value to the shared revenue pool as it would take out. For example, if the Big Ten hands out $22 million per team, that means that a new team must add at least that much value to the existing TV revenues in order for the new money to break even (since you're now dividing that pie by 12 teams instead of 11).

KU's higher revenue than ND could be (and probably is) solely attributable to larger crowds at Allen Fieldhouse. That's of no benefit to a conference, however, since that ticket revenue isn't shared amongst the conference.
 
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I think part of the problem for Kansas is that they are tied closely to Kansas State, kind of like how the Texas state schools are trying to go as a package (though A&M sounds like they could change this). I've read a place or two that Kansas won't likely move somewhere without Kansas State being in on the deal, probably due to state politics. I'm thinking Kansas is a more attractive target than Kansas State, but Kansas doesn't bring enough to the table to make a conference exited about a combined Kansas/Kansas State package.
 
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I would joke about proposing a 'state' conference for also-rans like Kansas State, Iowa State, A&M, etc. But nothing would surprise me at this point.
 
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How would a 16 team football conference work? Two divisions of eight? Play each team in your division and then one crossover per year? A constant crossover? Or rotating?

I still think a 16 team football conference would be absolutely ridiculous.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I think part of the problem for Kansas is that they are tied closely to Kansas State, kind of like how the Texas state schools are trying to go as a package (though A&M sounds like they could change this). I've read a place or two that Kansas won't likely move somewhere without Kansas State being in on the deal, probably due to state politics. I'm thinking Kansas is a more attractive target than Kansas State, but Kansas doesn't bring enough to the table to make a conference exited about a combined Kansas/Kansas State package.
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Yeah, that's certainly part of it.

Texas and A&M is different, as both have good academics, strong research, and good athletics - the poison pill in that deal would be Texas Tech and possibly Baylor (who gets added on via politics despite being a private school).

Kansas might want to ditch K-State, but maybe they can't. KU has a lot going for it, especially with close proximity to a decently large market in KC - it's just kinda stuck in the middle geographically. Nebraska has bolted to the North, CU to the west, and KU doesn't have an obvious place to go.
 
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amherstblackbear said:
I would joke about proposing a 'state' conference for also-rans like Kansas State, Iowa State, A&M, etc. But nothing would surprise me at this point.
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I wouldn't put A&M in the category with those other two. A&M is a rather appealing target, certainly much more than schools like Kansas State and Iowa State.
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
So USC basketball does something way worse than football and they get a slap on the wrist. USC football has one player and his family do something and they get the worst punishment in NCAA football history since SMU. :rolleyes:
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And they had a coach on staff that knew everything that was going on and reported NONE of it. That's gross negligence.
 
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J.D. said:
How would a 16 team football conference work? Two divisions of eight? Play each team in your division and then one crossover per year? A constant crossover? Or rotating?

I still think a 16 team football conference would be absolutely ridiculous.
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I don't think any of those details have been worked out yet, and it would depend on the conference. One idea would be to have Four 4-team pods, where 2 of them will form a division for a season, then they would rotate. You'd share a pod with your closest rivals.

The Big Ten is close to this right now with the designated rivals that never rotate off the schedule:

* Illinois: Indiana, Northwestern
* Indiana: Illinois, Purdue
* Purdue: Indiana, Northwestern
* Northwestern: Illinois, Purdue

* Michigan: Michigan State, Ohio State
* Michigan State: Michigan, Penn State
* Ohio State: Michigan, Penn State
* Penn State: Michigan State, Ohio State

* Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota
* Iowa: Minnesota, Wisconsin
* Minnesota: Iowa, Wisconsin

Of course, they could also completely do away with non-conference games and who knows what would happen then.
 
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CLS said:
Sucks that slimeball Pete Carroll skipped town, and ordinarlly I'd feel sorry for his successor. But given who his successor is, I hope that they have a game scheduled with Tennesee in three years.
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Yeah, just too bad that Kiffen won't still be there to receive the beat down personally...
 
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