College Football 2010: Dude, Where's my Conference?

[Hammer]

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Blockski, I figured as much.

FWIW: http://www.kctv5.com/sports/23860558/detail.html

Basically says A&M and UT are headed to the Big Ten without Baylor and Tech. Take it with a grain it is a station in Kansas City.

I would find that hard to believe without taking Oklahoma and OSU with them.

 

[jmh]

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So USC was cheating? Shocking, just shocking.

 

[Bob Gray]

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I would find that hard to believe without taking Oklahoma and OSU with them.

And why would the Pac Ten want Oklahoma State, without other Big 12 heavyweights as part of the deal?

Also hard to see Texas and A&M going somewhere without Tech.

 

[Handyman]

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Texas somehow spun it that Arkansas broke up the SWC. Now they're spinning it as Nebraska breaking up the Big XII. Yet, Texas has never stamped out rumors of starting its own network and sure seemed willing to let the Pac-10 come calling.

Needless to say, Texas isn't exactly being upfront with everything. Of course, they weren't up front 15 years ago or whenever the Big XII formed, either.

Can you explain this for someone who wasnt paying attention to the SWC back then? Thanks!

 

[Kepler]

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When did the workplace start rewarding guys who lied, cheated, etc to get for money when average joe goes to work everyday and plays by the rules just so he can put food on the table for his family while those two get away with whatever they want and get rewarded for it.

It's called capitalism, Hippie Johnny!

 

[Alton]

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How would a 16 team football conference work? Two divisions of eight? Play each team in your division and then one crossover per year? A constant crossover? Or rotating?

I still think a 16 team football conference would be absolutely ridiculous.

Back when the WAC was 16 teams (before the MWC split off), they had 4 pods of 4.

YEARS 1, 4, 7, 10...:
Division A--Pod 1, Pod 2
Division B--Pod 3, Pod 4

YEARS 2, 5, 8, 11...:
Division A--Pod 1, Pod 3
Division B--Pod 2, Pod 4

YEARS 3, 6, 9, 12...:
Division A--Pod 1, Pod 4
Division B--Pod 2, Pod 3

You play all 7 of your in-division opponents plus 1 rotating team in the other division. So, theoretically, you can set up a 12-year rotation where you play the teams in your own pod 12 times each and the teams in the other 3 pods 5 times each. That comes to 96 games in 12 years or 8 conference games a year. The problem, of course, would be setting up the pods without causing the conference to break up before it got started. I'm not sure that would be possible in either the Big Ten or the Pac Ten in their rumored 16-team incarnations.

However you do it, you need 2 divisions of 8, with a round robin within the division and 1 crossover game. Maybe 2 or 3 crossover games, but that would take a fight to implement.

 

[Kepler]

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I'm thinking Kansas is a more attractive target than Kansas State, but Kansas doesn't bring enough to the table to make a conference exited about a combined Kansas/Kansas State package.

Basketball:
Kansas A
Kansas State C

Football:
Kansas State D
Kansas D*

I'd say they're equal.

(* Historically, though granted they are currently the best they've ever been.)

Edit: I'll drop KSU to a D in football, too. They really had only one strong period, and it colored my judgment unduly.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Basketball:
Kansas A
Kansas State C

Football:
Kansas State D
Kansas D*

I'd say they're equal.

(* Historically, though granted they are currently the best they've ever been.)

Edit: I'll drop KSU to a D in football, too. They really had only one strong period, and it colored my judgment unduly.

Yah, that's about how I'd rate them. I'm skeptical that Snyder's return is going to resurrect Kansas State football to its glory during his first run, given their records the last couple years before Snyder left the first time.

I think part of it, and admittedly I don't have a close read on the pulse of Kansas issues, but I've always had the feeling like there is more following of Kansas in the area than Kansas State, so Kansas just has a higher overall profile.

 

[Kepler]

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I think part of it, and admittedly I don't have a close read on the pulse of Kansas issues, but I've always had the feeling like there is more following of Kansas in the area than Kansas State, so Kansas just has a higher overall profile.

There is. I had a friend who went to KSU and she said they were always the redheaded stepchild to the Jayhawks. Not as bad as Iowa State to Iowa, but more like Michigan State to Michigan.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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USC has filed an appeal. Expect that if this fails, USC will go right to court.

Believing the word of a convicted felon over that of a Coach is quite ludicrous.

Oh, we don't have any proof you know, but we think you knew so, bam.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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Interesting. So they only passed legislation in 2007 that would allow them to take away BCS titles from teams that used ineligible players.

I love the arrogance of the NCAA. Who cares about ex post facto. We do what we want.

 

[Slap Shot]

I thought the NCAA didn't have any hand in the bowl system and the BCS was a non-NCAA construct and if so, how exactly does the NCAA bar USA from playing a BCS game? That might be a really stupid question, but I'm missing something.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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I thought the NCAA didn't have any hand in the bowl system and the BCS was a non-NCAA construct and if so, how exactly does the NCAA bar USC from playing a BCS game? That might be a really stupid question, but I'm missing something.

They can make them ineligible for postseason play, I don't know how it works because lets be honest, all the bowl games aren't NCAA games technically.

 

[Craig P.]

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Yes I know, this isnt my arugument I am just offering some numbers since Craig doubted them so much. As someone who wants Notre Dame nowhere near the Big Ten I hope the numbers convince the Domers to stay away...I revel in their mediocrity

I thought and still think that dx's assertion that KU could pay for itself in the Integer is groundless. That's independent of the overall athletic budget and based purely on what KU would add to the Integer in terms of increases in TV and league-wide (rather than school-specific) revenue. Their big sport is basketball, which doesn't pay (Big East teams are only getting about $2 MM/school for basketball). The best TV market they have to offer is a poor one, Kansas City.

ND could pay for itself (as I've noted, I believe that in a good year ND is getting about the same equivalent to a conference payout as the Integer teams are). Texas could. Maybe one of the northeast teams like Rutgers or Syracuse could if they really substantially increase access in the NYC area, though I question either team's ability to do so. Just about anyone could as the 12th team if a title game is added, because the title game alone will run around $15 MM, give or take, but Nebraska just scarfed up that slot.

(I will add that I put the burden of proof on dx because his/her definitive statement implied that s/he had the numbers at hand or could at least begin to point me to a source.)

 

[Craig P.]

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So USC basketball does something way worse than football and they get a slap on the wrist. USC football has one player and his family do something and they get the worst punishment in NCAA football history since SMU.

Did you overlook the part where your own assistant coach knew about it, never told anyone, and tried to cover up that he knew about it?

Also, your histrionics about how awful the punishment is are a little overdone. It's about equal to what Miami got. They lost 31 scholarships over three years.

 

[Jason A]

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Football Outsiders' Doug Farrar:

The newest Seattle sports hobby: Rejoicing in USC's downfall while pretending that Pete Carroll had nothing to do with it.
about 6 hours ago via web

 

[Craig P.]

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Texas and A&M is different, as both have good academics, strong research, and good athletics - the poison pill in that deal would be Texas Tech and possibly Baylor (who gets added on via politics despite being a private school).

I think Baylor got pre-empted when Colorado jumped to the head of the line. It doesn't help that they don't have nearly the political pull in terms of alums in key positions that they had when the SWC dissolution happened.

 

[Handyman]

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I thought and still think that dx's assertion that KU could pay for itself in the Integer is groundless. That's independent of the overall athletic budget and based purely on what KU would add to the Integer in terms of increases in TV and league-wide (rather than school-specific) revenue. Their big sport is basketball, which doesn't pay (Big East teams are only getting about $2 MM/school for basketball). The best TV market they have to offer is a poor one, Kansas City.

ND could pay for itself (as I've noted, I believe that in a good year ND is getting about the same equivalent to a conference payout as the Integer teams are). Texas could. Maybe one of the northeast teams like Rutgers or Syracuse could if they really substantially increase access in the NYC area, though I question either team's ability to do so. Just about anyone could as the 12th team if a title game is added, because the title game alone will run around $15 MM, give or take, but Nebraska just scarfed up that slot.

(I will add that I put the burden of proof on dx because his/her definitive statement implied that s/he had the numbers at hand or could at least begin to point me to a source.)

Well he is at work and I am unemployed so I figured I would try and help him out a bit

I don't think Kansas would be a detriment either. They wont raise the amount each team makes like a Texas or Notre Dame will, but I dont think the member schools will lose anything should they join. JMHO though.

 

[Craig P.]

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Does the $22 mil that the Big Ten pays out include the bowl game revenue?

As far as I know it does. It's the full share... payout from the Integer network (on the order of $6 to $7 MM), payout from their deal with ESPN/ABC, and payout from the bowl pool. I could be wrong, though... I didn't work the figure up myself, I'm re-using stuff I've seen in discussions elsewhere.

 

[bronconick]

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Did you overlook the part where your own assistant coach knew about it, never told anyone, and tried to cover up that he knew about it?

Also, your histrionics about how awful the punishment is are a little overdone. It's about equal to what Miami got. They lost 31 scholarships over three years.

Which is about right, since whether it's Lionel Richie or Snoop Dogg on the sidelines, it's looked like the same culture of arrogance and entitlement.

All USC was short on was wearing combat fatigues to the 03 Rose Bowl.