College Football 2010: Dude, Where's my Conference?

[Terrierbyassociation]

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Did you overlook the part where your own assistant coach knew about it, never told anyone, and tried to cover up that he knew about it?

Also, your histrionics about how awful the punishment is are a little overdone. It's about equal to what Miami got. They lost 31 scholarships over three years.

No proof he knew about it. No proof he tried to cover it up. Only the word of the Agent over his and some phone calls. No records of said conversations, just record the phone calls took place.

 

[Craig P.]

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I thought the NCAA didn't have any hand in the bowl system and the BCS was a non-NCAA construct and if so, how exactly does the NCAA bar USA from playing a BCS game? That might be a really stupid question, but I'm missing something.

What you're missing is that the NCAA is generally the sanctioning body of all games. There aren't any games that are organized by the NCAA itself in college football, period. However, they still have authority to say how many games a team can play during a season and when. In this case, they say that USC can only play 12 games in a season (they're not even allowed to exercise the Hawaii exemption to get a 13th) and none after the regular season is over.

 

[Craig P.]

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No proof he knew about it. No proof he tried to cover it up. Only the word of the Agent over his and some phone calls. No records of said conversations, just record the phone calls took place.

Well, he demonstrably lied about some aspects of his relations with the agent (his phone records do not support his statements about some stuff in 2005), so in this case, the agent actually does have more credibility. Unlike McNair, the agent has no vested interest in lying.

 

[RMUColonials]

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As far as I know it does. It's the full share... payout from the Integer network (on the order of $6 to $7 MM), payout from their deal with ESPN/ABC, and payout from the bowl pool. I could be wrong, though... I didn't work the figure up myself, I'm re-using stuff I've seen in discussions elsewhere.

FWIW, there's a belief that the B10 split is closer to 20M than it is to 22M.

Orangebloods.com (who has been on top of the story for the entire week) is reporting that Texas A&M is still mulling over an invite to the SEC, leaving a spot open for maybe Kansas in the Pac 10 (although Utah has also been mentioned). There's no guarantee that TAM follows Texas and Tech to the Pac 10.

There's also a report that the SEC will extend an offer to Virginia Tech.

At this point, I would be surprised if all of the major conferences didn't go to at least 14, if not to 16.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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Well, he demonstrably lied about some aspects of his relations with the agent (his phone records do not support his statements about some stuff in 2005), so in this case, the agent actually does have more credibility. Unlike McNair, the agent has no vested interest in lying.

Of course the agent has a vested interest in lying. The NCAA could lifetime ban him from being an agent. He could also face prosecution under CA law, maybe he's hoping cooperation with the NCAA will prevent those issues from cropping up for him in the criminal court.

The worst part is this coach was basically a glorified grad assistant. He did nothing, why did he think he should cover this up?

I hope he's blackballed from the sport.

 

[HumRsky]

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I haven't seen this mentioned here, but I didn't in back to read everything I missed...Fox Sports Radio reported that some source told them that OK State is all but committed to moving to the Pac 10.

 

[RMUColonials]

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I haven't seen this mentioned here, but I didn't in back to read everything I missed...Fox Sports Radio reported that some source told them that OK State is all but committed to moving to the Pac 10.

At this point, it seems as though 4 of the remaining 5 are committed to the Pac 10. The only holdout is Texas A&M, which is still considering the SEC

 

[Priceless]

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USC has filed an appeal. Expect that if this fails, USC will go right to court.

Believing the word of a convicted felon over that of a Coach is quite ludicrous.

Oh, we don't have any proof you know, but we think you knew so, bam.

Don't NCAA investigations suck?

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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Don't NCAA investigations suck?

Well the NCAA does think it has powers that our Founders didn't give to our Federal government or the State governments...

 

[Priceless]

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What you're missing is that the NCAA is generally the sanctioning body of all games. There aren't any games that are organized by the NCAA itself in college football, period. However, they still have authority to say how many games a team can play during a season and when.

And how many hours they can practice....

 

[Priceless]

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Well the NCAA does think it has powers that our Founders didn't give to our Federal government or the State governments...

Not so much fun when it's your school being targeted, eh?

Still going to make your jokes about Maine?

 

[mookie1995]

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Not so much fun when it's your school being targeted, eh?

Still going to make your jokes about Maine?

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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Not so much fun when it's your school being targeted, eh?

Still going to make your jokes about Maine?

Of course I am, USC's coaches weren't actively cheating. Maine's were. Walsh was always trying to get an edge, right? At worst: it was one bad seed in Bush, and one moron coach in McNair who didn't report Bush.

Do you think the agent called McNair out of the goodness of his heart? He called him to give him information so McNair couldn't pretend not to know what was happening because he was still hoping to get his money back, so he tried to strongarm McNair after failing to strongarm Bush after Bush blew him off.

 

[Priceless]

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Of course I am, USC's coaches weren't actively cheating. Maine's were. Walsh was always trying to get an edge, right? At worst: it was one bad seed in Bush, and one moron coach in McNair who didn't report Bush.

Do you think the agent called McNair out of the goodness of his heart? He called him to give him information so McNair couldn't pretend not to know what was happening because he was still hoping to get his money back, so he tried to strongarm McNair after failing to strongarm Bush after Bush blew him off.

That's your side. The NCAA didn't agree. Tough beans, cheater.

 

[Craig P.]

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Orangebloods.com (who has been on top of the story for the entire week) is reporting that Texas A&M is still mulling over an invite to the SEC, leaving a spot open for maybe Kansas in the Pac 10 (although Utah has also been mentioned). There's no guarantee that TAM follows Texas and Tech to the Pac 10.

That would certainly make sense from both aTm's perspective and the SEC's perspective. aTm gets to chart their own course independent of Texas (and they would presumably still play a non-conference rivalry game at the end of the season the way many of the SEC teams do), the SEC gets inroads into Houston and presumably Dallas as well.

The issue that I would see arising for the SEC is that there's no really obvious counterpart to aTm, although I guess they could pick up KU or Missouri if VaTech says no.

 

[Craig P.]

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I think part of the USC deal is that the NCAA wants to make a firm statement that you can't look the otherway, say "La-la-la" really loudly while agents (who you invited into the locker room) cut deals with players behind your back, and then profess to be Shocked! that there is cheating going on here!

While the USC staff may have, for the most part, done no more than turn a blind eye to most of the problems, that blind eye is in itself a big problem. It fostered a culture that gave the Trojans an unfair advantage.

 

[bronconick]

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Going back into state politics again, would there be irritation from the Virginia government if Va Tech moved to the SEC 6 years after they strongarmed the Cavaliers into taking the Hokies over Syracuse?

 

[bronconick]

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Oh, and since 2008, these are the only things that will allow for an appeal to overturn part of a punishment. Good luck with that, TBA.

• The ruling was clearly contrary to the evidence.

• The individual or school did not actually break NCAA rules.

• There was a procedural error that caused the COI to find a violation.

• The penalty is excessive AND is an abuse of discretion.

You *could* try the last one, but the fact that they investigated this long probably means they were making sure the punishments would stick.

 

[jmh]

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Well the NCAA does think it has powers that our Founders didn't give to our Federal government or the State governments...

There's no constitutional right to play DI sports, and the NCAA is not the government, and they don't have any obligation to conduct their own investigations in the same way that the government might. The NCAA's member institutions voluntarily agree to be bound by the NCAA's various rules and policies and its processes of enforcing those rules. If they don't like it, they can go play in whatever the west coast equivalent of the NESCAC is.

 

[amherstblackbear]

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There's no constitutional right to play DI sports, and the NCAA is not the government, and they don't have any obligation to conduct their own investigations in the same way that the government might. The NCAA's member institutions voluntarily agree to be bound by the NCAA's various rules and policies and its processes of enforcing those rules. If they don't like it, they can go play in whatever the west coast equivalent of the NESCAC is.

Blasphemy. There is only one NESCAC.