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College Football 2010: Dude, Where's my Conference?
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Re: College Football 2010: Dude, Where's my Conference?
Not to mention having to play Texas and OU every year.Don't worry, USC isn't going to win enough to make it to any postseason with Kiffen there.
Re: College Football 2010: Dude, Where's my Conference?
Uh, no. Wrong on all counts.
We'll jump only if the situation for either access to a championship or access for our non-football sports becomes untenable. Neither is true in the generic scenario you have posited.
As long as we have access to a championship, I'm fairly confident that the money will be fine. The Integer gets a similar payout to what we're getting right now, and they're going to need the TV network to be wildly successful to change that (particularly if they expand to 16 teams, because only ND and Texas have any prospect of paying for themselves).
That's why I said that you shouldn't sub ND for Rutgers. Rutgers and only Rutgers leaving the Big East is no threat to ND.
Uh, no. Wrong on all counts.
We'll jump only if the situation for either access to a championship or access for our non-football sports becomes untenable. Neither is true in the generic scenario you have posited.
As long as we have access to a championship, I'm fairly confident that the money will be fine. The Integer gets a similar payout to what we're getting right now, and they're going to need the TV network to be wildly successful to change that (particularly if they expand to 16 teams, because only ND and Texas have any prospect of paying for themselves).
That's why I said that you shouldn't sub ND for Rutgers. Rutgers and only Rutgers leaving the Big East is no threat to ND.
RMUColonials
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Exactly. For ND to join the Big Ten, they would probably have to invite Pitt and Syracuse. That would get ND's attention.
Even then, I'm not sure that ND would budge. They could still team up with the Catholic BE schools for basketball and other sports, if the BE Football Conference were to fold.
Various reports this morning suggest that Colorado has already been extended an invitation to the Pac 10. So it seems like they might be out regardless of what happens with NU and the rest of the B12.
Exactly. For ND to join the Big Ten, they would probably have to invite Pitt and Syracuse. That would get ND's attention.
Even then, I'm not sure that ND would budge. They could still team up with the Catholic BE schools for basketball and other sports, if the BE Football Conference were to fold.
Various reports this morning suggest that Colorado has already been extended an invitation to the Pac 10. So it seems like they might be out regardless of what happens with NU and the rest of the B12.
dxmnkd316
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Re: College Football 2010: Dude, Where's my Conference?
That second scenario is based on the assumption that the PAC-10 gets a second autobid if they go to 16 (which I don't think they will, so I guess this my discussion of it is pretty worthless; I'm sort of mixing two scenarios together big ten expansion and the pac-10 getting a second autobid). I think that would cause the Big Ten and SEC to both expand to 16 to get equal access. I think the big east would suffer in this extremely unlikely scenario, enough that notre dame would have to jump ship. Maybe not.
That being said, when it comes to Notre Dame, access to a championship is one thing, taking advantage of that access is another. With Notre Dame fading as a national powerhouse it once was, that money remains what it is, a pipe dream. So I don't see how mere access to a championship provides cash flow. Joining a conference with a TV network would not only make up for that lost cashflow, it would exceed it.
The other nightmare scenario for Notre Dame is if NBC doesn't renew. I have no idea which way NBC is leaning. So I'll leave that alone and hope someone with a better grasp on that comment. But if they don't renew, that's another chunk of cash no longer coming in.
Rutgers was originally announced as a team getting an invite, so I put this together back then. Obviously that didn't pan out and rumors of talks between Notre Dame and the Big Ten are starting to surface (but they are just that at this point, rumors). I'm not saying Rutgers leaving would cause Notre Dame to leave. I'm saying that it's possible for that 14-team scenario to work IF Notre Dame did leave.
Regarding your point about only Texas and Notre Dame paying for themselves, I disagree. A buddy of mine pointed out that Kansas would more than pay for itself as well. In fact, Kansas brought in $3 million more than Notre Dame in 2009.
So to sum it up, I guess I agree with you in that as long as cash flow doesn't become a problem, Notre Dame will probably remain where it is. However, if the landscape changes drastically, that's different.
That second scenario is based on the assumption that the PAC-10 gets a second autobid if they go to 16 (which I don't think they will, so I guess this my discussion of it is pretty worthless; I'm sort of mixing two scenarios together big ten expansion and the pac-10 getting a second autobid). I think that would cause the Big Ten and SEC to both expand to 16 to get equal access. I think the big east would suffer in this extremely unlikely scenario, enough that notre dame would have to jump ship. Maybe not.
That being said, when it comes to Notre Dame, access to a championship is one thing, taking advantage of that access is another. With Notre Dame fading as a national powerhouse it once was, that money remains what it is, a pipe dream. So I don't see how mere access to a championship provides cash flow. Joining a conference with a TV network would not only make up for that lost cashflow, it would exceed it.
The other nightmare scenario for Notre Dame is if NBC doesn't renew. I have no idea which way NBC is leaning. So I'll leave that alone and hope someone with a better grasp on that comment. But if they don't renew, that's another chunk of cash no longer coming in.
Rutgers was originally announced as a team getting an invite, so I put this together back then. Obviously that didn't pan out and rumors of talks between Notre Dame and the Big Ten are starting to surface (but they are just that at this point, rumors). I'm not saying Rutgers leaving would cause Notre Dame to leave. I'm saying that it's possible for that 14-team scenario to work IF Notre Dame did leave.
Regarding your point about only Texas and Notre Dame paying for themselves, I disagree. A buddy of mine pointed out that Kansas would more than pay for itself as well. In fact, Kansas brought in $3 million more than Notre Dame in 2009.
So to sum it up, I guess I agree with you in that as long as cash flow doesn't become a problem, Notre Dame will probably remain where it is. However, if the landscape changes drastically, that's different.
JF_Gophers
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When is the NBC/Notre Dame deal up? That certainly could change the way things work out as far as them remaining independent.
When is the NBC/Notre Dame deal up? That certainly could change the way things work out as far as them remaining independent.
bronconick
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By "similar" payout, you mean "double the", right? And I doubt NBC will pay more than they do currently, since ND's 2.4 average last year lags behind CBS's 4.4 average for the SEC and ABC's 3.9 for the season.
By "similar" payout, you mean "double the", right? And I doubt NBC will pay more than they do currently, since ND's 2.4 average last year lags behind CBS's 4.4 average for the SEC and ABC's 3.9 for the season.
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If Rutgers is the only team to leave the Big East, we should say our hallelujahs that they took the least useful of the 8 football schools.
If Rutgers is the only team to leave the Big East, we should say our hallelujahs that they took the least useful of the 8 football schools.
Handyman
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Yeah honestly this love affair the Big Ten has with Rutgers makes no sense. I think they would be a waste of a spot and make zero sense in the conference. Not to mention, for the majority of the time they are pretty average. Yippie they MIGHT add a new market, but there is no guarantee of that and even if they do so what? How does that make the Big Ten better?
Yeah honestly this love affair the Big Ten has with Rutgers makes no sense. I think they would be a waste of a spot and make zero sense in the conference. Not to mention, for the majority of the time they are pretty average. Yippie they MIGHT add a new market, but there is no guarantee of that and even if they do so what? How does that make the Big Ten better?
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I agree 100%. Rutgers would be subtraction by addition.
I agree 100%. Rutgers would be subtraction by addition.
Handyman
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Re: College Football 2010: Dude, Where's my Conference?
Every year this stuff gets talked about and never comes about. Look how fast it has happened since the Big 12 meetings. This next month could get very very fun for those of us who subscribe to the George Carlin Love of Entropy
Every year this stuff gets talked about and never comes about. Look how fast it has happened since the Big 12 meetings. This next month could get very very fun for those of us who subscribe to the George Carlin Love of Entropy
JF_Gophers
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Some believe the schools still had bad feelings from when the SWAC broke up and they just festered for the last dozen years.
They were apparently an unhappy/uneasy conference to begin with.
Some believe the schools still had bad feelings from when the SWAC broke up and they just festered for the last dozen years.
They were apparently an unhappy/uneasy conference to begin with.
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A handful of schools were carrying the load, financially. They never got a lucrative TV deal so the conference was making little money, compared to the others.
A handful of schools were carrying the load, financially. They never got a lucrative TV deal so the conference was making little money, compared to the others.
dxmnkd316
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That and the sliding scale revenue sharing. Pretty much the only schools that received money were the major players (texas, oklahoma, etc.) and the rest of the teams got what amounts to a yearly beatdown in football and nothing to show for it.
That and the sliding scale revenue sharing. Pretty much the only schools that received money were the major players (texas, oklahoma, etc.) and the rest of the teams got what amounts to a yearly beatdown in football and nothing to show for it.
GreatLakerMohawk
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The Big 10 wants a New Jersey school because New Jersey is maybe the best football recruiting state in the northeast. What they'd lack in pizazz they'd make up for by building a pipeline into New Jersey.
The Big 10 wants a New Jersey school because New Jersey is maybe the best football recruiting state in the northeast. What they'd lack in pizazz they'd make up for by building a pipeline into New Jersey.
Terrierbyassociation
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Brian Cushing agrees.
Brian Cushing agrees.
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That's great for the Big 10, and probably great for Rutgers. Well, except Penn State already has a pretty good pipeline into New Jersey established...
On the Big East side of the ledger...Rutgers is a warm body.
That's great for the Big 10, and probably great for Rutgers. Well, except Penn State already has a pretty good pipeline into New Jersey established...
On the Big East side of the ledger...Rutgers is a warm body.
GreatLakerMohawk
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His bacne does all the talking for him.
Brian Cushing agrees.
His bacne does all the talking for him.
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