College Football 2010: Dude, Where's my Conference?

[JF_Gophers]

Re: College Football 2010: Dude, Where's my Conference?

If ND applied to the Big Ten, they would take them before the ink dries and add another team (likely Eastern, Syracuse or Pitt) and go to 14 teams.

ND still has all of their options available to them, regardless of what happens with Nebraska.

Hell, the ACC would go to 14 to get ND.

I think he is saying ND doesn't want a super conference that has 14 and more teams. That makes more mouths to feed, and their revenue is doing a lot of the feeding. It doesn't make as much financial sense to join a weak Big East (or even the ACC).

 

[RMUColonials]

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I'd bet anything that the Mountain West is not currently expanding because they're secretly nursing a woody that they could get KSU, Kansas and ISU instead of Boise State.

I think they were hoping that the Pac 10 would take Baylor instead of Colorado. Adding CU plus 2 of the other B12 leftovers (Kan and KSU) would almost certainly get them their BCS bid. They would still probably get it with Kan, KS, and ISU...but Colorado would be far more attractive.

 

[Kepler]

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ND still has all of their options available to them, regardless of what happens with Nebraska.

They don't have the option to join a 12-team Big Ten anymore, after the Nebraska deal, and being part of a 16-team Big Ten is even worse for them, unless it is with 8-team divisions, giving them 5 NC games (but a divisionally-split Big Ten with a lot of NC games solves their scheduling problem without them having to join, so arguably that is the least likely thing to happen.)

The bottom line will probably be the Irish not having won in 22 years. If they had won in the last ten, they wouldn't even be considering a move. With such a long dry spell, the traditionalists (raises hand) have much less firm footing. We can theoretically be convinced, although having the possibility of meeting USC in the Rose Bowl could stress that RS meeting, which would be a Bad Thing.

 

[RMUColonials]

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I think he is saying ND doesn't want a super conference that has 14 and more teams. That makes more mouths to feed, and their revenue is doing a lot of the feeding. It doesn't make as much financial sense to join a weak Big East (or even the ACC).

ND would still make out like bandits with a 14 team B10 with Neb and one other team. They would make significantly more money than they currently do and their future stability is assured.

The only problem for ND with a 14 or 16 team league is scheduling. But with Mich, MSU, Purdue, and possibly Pitt all in conference, most of their long-time "rivals" are already available to play. They could still schedule USC and the service academies every season.

 

[Handyman]

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Yeah to Notre Dame the number of teams shouldnt matter. They will make more off the BTN than they do off of NBC and their schedule will hardly be affected as they will most likely get to face off against their current scheduled teams. (they will be placed with Michigan, MSU and Purdue for sure)

Financially speaking they lose nothing. The Big Ten isnt going to be leaning on them for money (or to feed the mouths) as the Big Ten does just fine without them.

 

[Slap Shot]

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I think he is saying ND doesn't want a super conference that has 14 and more teams. That makes more mouths to feed, and their revenue is doing a lot of the feeding. It doesn't make as much financial sense to join a weak Big East (or even the ACC).

Aside from the fact ND would make more with the Big Ten TV package (that would probably be re-nogiated for more $$ than it current earns) than they currently make with their NBC venture?

 

[Kepler]

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They could still schedule USC and the service academies every season.

I would like to think so, but they might run out of dates, unless the superconferences start pushing to longer seasons.

ND makes $15M now. A B10 share is $20 now ($220M net) so if the B10 expands to 16 their contract would have to be renegotiated up to $240 for it to be competitive, but I guess that's a safe assumption with both ND and Nebraska in the fold.

What happens with bowl game revenue, however? ND takes home their entire share now, while they would have to split it in conference (while also gaining their peers' splits of course).

 

[Slap Shot]

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I would like to think so, but they might run out of dates, unless the superconferences start pushing to longer seasons.

It's possible B10 conference play would not render ND's nc schedule moot if dates with UMi, MSU and PUR remain fairly regular (if not downright seasonal depending upon scheduling), which could leave USC as a probable seasonal opponent.

 

[RMUColonials]

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I would like to think so, but they might run out of dates, unless the superconferences start pushing to longer seasons.

The B10 would probably have to relax some of their scheduling rules, but they would do that in a second to get ND.

 

[mookie1995]

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i would bet a 14 team super conference would split into 7 team sides and just play each other, along with one 'natural rival' or something from the other side... allowing 4 home games with grand junction state and east west central california and whatnot.

 

[Handyman]

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I would like to think so, but they might run out of dates, unless the superconferences start pushing to longer seasons.

ND makes $15M now. A B10 share is $20 now ($220M net) so if the B10 expands to 16 their contract would have to be renegotiated up to $240 for it to be competitive, but I guess that's a safe assumption with both ND and Nebraska in the fold.

What happens with bowl game revenue, however? ND takes home their entire share now, while they would have to split it in conference (while also gaining their peers' splits of course).

The Big Ten shares evenly so all the bowl money goes into a pot and is split. So Notre Dame would get a smaller piece of a much bigger pie if the Big Ten places a lot of teams in bowls whether they make one or not.

And Notre dame would have 4 non-con games so if they dont have to schedule UMich, MSU and Purdue (as they would be conference games now) they could use them on USC and the service academies. No harm no foul.

 

[Kepler]

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It is true that having both Nebraska and Notre Dame join at the same time would make it easier for the B10 to swallow a split, since whoever "loses" one "gains" the other, and they are each a license to print money. What does a "Bigger Than 10" conference look like?:

East

Penn State
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Notre Dame
Purdue
Indiana
Rutgers or Pitt

West

Nebraska
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Illinois
Iowa
Northwestern
Kansas and Kansas State or Missouri and somebody

 

[RMUColonials]

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It is true that having both Nebraska and Notre Dame join at the same time would make it easier for the B10 to swallow a split, since whoever "loses" one "gains" the other, and they are each a license to print money. What does a "Bigger Than 10" conference look like?:

East

Penn State
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Notre Dame
Purdue
Indiana
Rutgers or Pitt

West

Nebraska
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Illinois
Iowa
Northwestern
Kansas and Kansas State or Missouri and somebody

I would think that going to 16 teams would likely end up creating 4 4-team pods for scheduling. That East division would just be a brutal schedule each year.

Each teams plays their pod and one other pod each season with one other "rivalry" game to make 8.

 

[Kepler]

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I would think that going to 16 teams would likely end up creating 4 4-team pods for scheduling. That East division would just be a brutal schedule each year.

Each teams plays their pod and one other pod each season with one other "rivalry" game to make 8.

4 pods but 5 major teams (Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio State, Notre Dame and Penn State) means 2 somebodies get screwed.

 

[RMUColonials]

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4 pods but 5 major teams (Michigan, Nebraska, Ohio State, Notre Dame and Penn State) means 2 somebodies get screwed.

Depending on the other 3 teams that are added, I think they could make it so that rivalries are kept intact, but schedules are competitive and fair.

 

[WeWantMore]

Re: College Football 2010: Dude, Where's my Conference?

It is true that having both Nebraska and Notre Dame join at the same time would make it easier for the B10 to swallow a split, since whoever "loses" one "gains" the other, and they are each a license to print money. What does a "Bigger Than 10" conference look like?:

East

Penn State
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Notre Dame
Purdue
Indiana
Rutgers or Pitt

West

Nebraska
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Illinois
Iowa
Northwestern
Kansas and Kansas State or Missouri and somebody

Licking my chops as a Badger fan with that schedule. I'd be wanting title game appearances every year.

 

[NMU8405]

Re: College Football 2010: Dude, Where's my Conference?

It is true that having both Nebraska and Notre Dame join at the same time would make it easier for the B10 to swallow a split, since whoever "loses" one "gains" the other, and they are each a license to print money. What does a "Bigger Than 10" conference look like?:

East

Penn State
Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Notre Dame
Purdue
Indiana
Rutgers or Pitt

West

Nebraska
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Illinois
Iowa
Northwestern
Kansas and Kansas State or Missouri and somebody

Poor Indiana.

 

[bronconick]

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So, after the next few weeks finish up and we have teams like Texas, Rutgers, Oklahoma and Nebraska in the PAC 10 or Big 10, I never again have to listen to a stuck up fan of either conference talk about the all-important tradition of a Pac-10-Big-10 Rose Bowl, right?

Because I'm pretty **** sure that being the first to set up your 16 team "super conferences" to create an eventual "Super 64" of D1A has proven pretty clearly that you've urinated heavily all over the idea of "tradition."

 

[JF_Gophers]

Re: College Football 2010: Dude, Where's my Conference?

So, after the next few weeks finish up and we have teams like Texas, Rutgers, Oklahoma and Nebraska in the PAC 10 or Big 10, I never again have to listen to a stuck up fan of either conference talk about the all-important tradition of a Pac-10-Big-10 Rose Bowl, right?

Because I'm pretty **** sure that being the first to set up your 16 team "super conferences" to create an eventual "Super 64" of D1A has proven pretty clearly that you've urinated heavily all over the idea of "tradition."

If the Big Ten and Pac-10 are the only 2 conferences left, then the tradition will live on.

 

[Kepler]

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If Notre Dame ever meets (edit: Texas) in the Rose Bowl, they should play it in the Cotton Bowl.