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College Football 2009: Where Championships are won by a majority vote

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Terrierbyassociation said:
Why do you think Cal would have a problem adding BYU? Because they're a Mormon school? I doubt that would be an issue.
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It was Stanford and more importantly the Texas legislature that killed the Longhorns move to the Pac-10.

BYU doesn't fit the requirements for admission into the Pac-10 as they're not considered a research oriented university. Furthermore, BYU does not participate in athletics on Sunday. The Mountain West might accept such scheduling limitations, but the Pac 10 is unlikely to be constrained. Its not like adding two schools into the Wasatch Front is a must for the conference. If the conference is going to take two schools from anywhere I could see Colorado getting the nod over BYU. The distance between SLC and Boulder is probably less than that between Seattle and Pullman.
 
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If they want research universities and they're not willing to go to Colorado, their choices are:

1. Cal Tech starts a D-1 football program.
2. Rice finds a way to get out of Texas.
3. UC-San Diego starts a D-1 football program.
4. UC-Davis starts a D-1 football program.
5. UC-Irvine starts a D-1 football program.
6. Texas finds a way to get out of Texas.

Not a lot of choices.
 
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Whoever we add, they need to be two teams with an existing rivalry or where a rivalry can easily be grown. Otherwise, I don't mind 10 teams with the full round-robin.
 
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How about New Mexico and New Mexico State? Natural rivalry, geographically feasible, OK schools (on the order of, say, Oregon and Oregon State) and both already D-1.
 
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Kepler said:
How about New Mexico and New Mexico State? Natural rivalry, geographically feasible, OK schools (on the order of, say, Oregon and Oregon State) and both already D-1.
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A very small market, and I don't think the New Mexico schools are on the order of the Oregon or other Pac schools, either athletically or academically.
 
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Kepler said:
How about New Mexico and New Mexico State? Natural rivalry, geographically feasible, OK schools (on the order of, say, Oregon and Oregon State) and both already D-1.
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Those are terrible football programs and they're not Pac-10 caliber schools academically. I know you hate USC, but come on. USC isn't going to let the league get worse.
 
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bronconick said:
The Pac-10's a lot like the Big Televen in that I think they pool their research and academics are a major influence on the conference as opposed to the SEC who would let Redneck Tech in if they added to the TV contract.

The academics would pitch a fit if a conservative, church run school got into the conference, especially with the LDS pouring money into California on the gay marriage issues that have been popping up lately.

The no playing on Sunday rule would play hob with the scheduling in non-revenue sports and possibly baseball, if they still do 3 game weekend series.

I stand slightly corrected. Stanford blocked Texas in the 90's and on random blogs/etc... I've searched, people keep claiming that Stanford and WSU have both said they'll veto any expansion right now. Nothing like a press release, though.
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Lets address your post: BYU and Utah are both pretty decent schools. Just because they are conservative and/or church-run does not make them bad schools. The academics would not care if the schools were added nor would they be making this call. :)

Gay marriage will have no effect on whether the Pac-10 expands. The issue is whether or not WSU is willing to be 10th out of 10 or 12th out of 12. :D
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
Lets address your post: BYU and Utah are both pretty decent schools. Just because they are conservative and/or church-run does not make them bad schools. The academics would not care if the schools were added nor would they be making this call. :)

Gay marriage will have no effect on whether the Pac-10 expands. The issue is whether or not WSU is willing to be 10th out of 10 or 12th out of 12. :D
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Utah isn't the issue. Its a decent western research oriented public university.

BYU is not a research oriented institution as defined by some national third party organization whose name I forget. Their membership would be disallowed by current Pac-10 bylaws and quite frankly the school isn't good enough academically nor attractive enough from a market stand point that I'd recommend altering the Conference's stance to accept them.

And as had been pointed out, BYU's refusal to play on Sundays is a huge problem for a number of sports and I doubt the "Conference of Champions" is going to make the required accommodations.
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
Those are terrible football programs and they're not Pac-10 caliber schools academically.
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Athletically they'd get better by joining the Pac-10. Academically, I think they're at least on the level of OSU, WSU and ASU.

Small market is a valid criticism, though.

Nobody hates USC. That would be like hating UA. Decent school, pretty girls, rich parents. There's no 'there' there to hate.
 
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Kepler said:
Athletically they'd get better by joining the Pac-10. Academically, I think they're at least on the level of OSU, WSU and ASU.

Small market is a valid criticism, though.

Nobody hates USC. That would be like hating UA. Decent school, pretty girls, rich parents. There's no 'there' there to hate.
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For academics across the board, USC would be the best school in the Big East(football), the second strongest school in the SEC, and in either first or second place in the Big 12. Decent isn't how I'd describe the place.
 
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On a related note, Stanford managed to snatch Blake Lueders, an ESPN150 recruit DE, away from Notre Dame, making that their third ESPN150 recruit for the incoming class, second on defense where they need to bulk up.
 
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BoomGoestheDynamite said:
For academics across the board, USC would be the best school in the Big East(football), the second strongest school in the SEC, and in either first or second place in the Big 12. Decent isn't how I'd describe the place.
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Academically, I'd definitely take Texas over USC, as much as it pains me to say it. I also think it's a close call with Missouri, which is closer to a Big Televen School than a Big 12 one. After that, though, USC's definitely better overall than the rest (though Iowa State's engineering school churns out plenty of future NASA employees and the like).
 
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Kepler said:
Athletically they'd get better by joining the Pac-10. Academically, I think they're at least on the level of OSU, WSU and ASU.

Small market is a valid criticism, though.

Nobody hates USC. That would be like hating UA. Decent school, pretty girls, rich parents. There's no 'there' there to hate.
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If you think noone hates the U of A, you've never heard of Sun Devil fans!

Northern Arizona University would also get better athletically if it was to join the Pac. The Pac would want someone who would bring athletic competitiveness to the table, not someone the Pac would have to try to lift up to its level.

Regarding academics, I don't think the New Mexico schools are equal to any Pac schools.

My initial reaction is that Utah would be the closest fit academically, apart from the longshot of picking up a Big 12 school like Colorado or Texas.
 
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unofan said:
Academically, I'd definitely take Texas over USC, as much as it pains me to say it. I also think it's a close call with Missouri, which is closer to a Big Televen School than a Big 12 one. After that, though, USC's definitely better overall than the rest (though Iowa State's engineering school churns out plenty of future NASA employees and the like).
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Eh, USC boasts much stronger incoming undergraduate classes than Mizzou, better professional schools in the 4 "name" areas and from what I can tell generally has better graduate level programs in the academic subjects. Mizzou has some great programs, especially journalism, but they don't really stack up across the board.

But I'd probably agree with Texas. Due to some weird state laws they tend to have a weaker undergrad student body than they "naturally" could acquire, but UT's grad programs generally excellent across the board.
 
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EWU field turf project will have Eagle fans seeing Red.

Its only a matter of time until somebody installs a hot pink color field.
 
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LynahFan said:
Bwaahahahahahaaa! So glad Kiffin is a millstone around the PAC-10's neck now instead of the SEC: No, this is not an Onion article.
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This still strikes me as secondary violations. this guy clarkson seems like he could be considered an agent of the university under the ncaa rules.

so kiffin cant call 13 year olds, but clarkson can and tell them to call usc back? seems like its violating the intent of the rules.
 
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