College Football 2009: Where Championships are won by a majority vote

[jerphisch]

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This still strikes me as secondary violations. this guy clarkson seems like he could be considered an agent of the university under the ncaa rules.

so kiffin cant call 13 year olds, but clarkson can and tell them to call usc back? seems like its violating the intent of the rules.

Article from Andy Staples that disagrees:

2) Maybe Kiffin finally has a handle on the NCAA rulebook.

At Tennessee, Kiffin earned the nickname "Lane Violations" because of a nasty habit of breaking the NCAA's more persnickety rules -- often in public. By recruiting a seventh-grader, he can avoid breaking those rules, most of which don't apply to Sills.

The NCAA doesn't consider a player a "prospective student-athlete" until he enters ninth grade. Until then, coaches can call as many times as they want. So Kiffin is in the clear.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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Bwaahahahahahaaa! So glad Kiffin is a millstone around the PAC-10's neck now instead of the SEC: No, this is not an Onion article.

The kid is considered can't miss. We'll see if he even ends up committing to USC in 5 years.

But his QB coach considers him to be the best QB he's ever coached.

Take that for what its worth.

 

[LynahFan]

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The kid is considered can't miss. We'll see if he even ends up committing to USC in 5 years.

But his QB coach considers him to be the best QB he's ever coached.

Take that for what its worth.

Yeah, and in 10th grade, Michael Jordan didn't even make the varsity. There's no such thing as a can't miss 8th grader.

That kid probably has a better chance of being at USC in 5 years than Kiffin does - Kiffin probably thinks so, too, so he knows he's not going to have to deal with the consequences (if any) anyway.

 

[French Rage]

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Yeah, and in 10th grade, Michael Jordan didn't even make the varsity. There's no such thing as a can't miss 8th grader.

That kid probably has a better chance of being at USC in 5 years than Kiffin does - Kiffin probably thinks so, too, so he knows he's not going to have to deal with the consequences (if any) anyway.

Actually it's a smart move by USC, they're planning for their team once sanctions are lifted. (I kid, I kid.)

 

[Patman]

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Article from Andy Staples that disagrees:

you know... i would think we'd see this more in basketball... god help us if college scouts start creeping around the middle schools.... the kiddie touchers are going to start having some real competition.

 

[SteveF]

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Article from Andy Staples that disagrees:

so i was wrong because of the age.. i didnt realize there was a floor to that. but the nature of my point still stands, if this kid is a 9th grader during this discussion - the NCAA will start paying closer attention to the relationship between clarkson and usc

i mean if its the kids' dream school, this is all moot. he doesnt even have to be recruited. he'll probably be the next mitch mustain

 

[pirate]

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I posted on the sports parenting thread that this kid is from the same state as the girl who was the #1 HS BB player in the country, committed to UCONN and left after 2 days. She had to stop the insanity that had her miss her prom, graduation and move away from her sister with special needs just so her dad could see his daughter be a big star. Her brother got thrown out of Duke on multiple DUI's because he too had been raised to be a sports star but couldn't handle real life.

The recipe is the same, dad with more money than he knows what to do with, kid with well above average upside, dad finds private school at which he can throw money around to manipulate everything from admission standards to coaching staffs to facilities and the whole thing becomes about making this kid a star.

He likely will be very good because he'll get more coaching and training than any other kid in the country...and it is possible they will avoid the pitfalls and raise a well adjusted kid...and its possible Michael Jackson's kids will have a normal childhood too.

 

[True Blue Fan]

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Let's see if anyone remembers this guy?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1127063/index.htm

How times change.

http://deadspin.com/5215145/the-epic-todd-marinovich-story-you-should-read-immediately

 

[Kepler]

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Gotta wonder if Kiffin was hired because he'll make any normal violations seem like a joke... when he goes in for the crazy he goes in hard.

A cynic would suggest USC hired the most egregious possible choice so that when he goes down they can attribute it to him, not the program.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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A cynic would suggest USC hired the most egregious possible choice so that when he goes down they can attribute it to him, not the program.

Aka the Notre Dame hiring strategy?

Rumors abound that NBC is going to make a deal with the Pac-10. Since Notre Dame already plays 2-3 Pac-10 teams a year its at least 1 more guaranteed ND game plus USC games.

Pac-10 finally gets their games on national coverage, about 8 years too late.

 

[French Rage]

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Aka the Notre Dame hiring strategy?

Rumors abound that NBC is going to make a deal with the Pac-10. Since Notre Dame already plays 2-3 Pac-10 teams a year its at least 1 more guaranteed ND game plus USC games.

Pac-10 finally gets their games on national coverage, about 8 years too late.

'Bout freaking time. They also recently hired some exec who was key in getting the Big 12 TV coverage, so I guess part of that strategy was having him do the same for the Pac-10. I for one can stomach afternoon games if it gets us on primetime out east.

 

[blockski]

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'Bout freaking time. They also recently hired some exec who was key in getting the Big 12 TV coverage, so I guess part of that strategy was having him do the same for the Pac-10. I for one can stomach afternoon games if it gets us on primetime out east.

Well, yes, but remember that the Big 12's TV deal kinda sucks for all the teams involved.

Definitely a good thing for the Pac-10, but for their sake I hope they opt to share revenue better than the Big 12.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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Well, yes, but remember that the Big 12's TV deal kinda sucks for all the teams involved.

Definitely a good thing for the Pac-10, but for their sake I hope they opt to share revenue better than the Big 12.

Well no matter what we'll get more money than we get from Fox Sports affiliates and fricken Versus.

 

[BoomGoestheDynamite]

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I really, really hoped they weren't going to go down this road. But I imagine a few people in the conference have dollar signs in their eyes:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/ncaa/02/09/pac-10.ap/index.html?eref=sihp

Apparently the rumors swirling around concern Colorado and Utah, which are probably the best two realistic candidates available.

The Big 12 now stands to lose 1-3 teams if some of these expansion scenarios play out down the road. TCU is thrilled I'm sure.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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I really, really hoped they weren't going to go down this road. But I imagine a few people in the conference have dollar signs in their eyes:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/ncaa/02/09/pac-10.ap/index.html?eref=sihp

They're all becoming super conferences. The Pac-10 needs to get BYU and Utah for a conference title game.

 

[BoomGoestheDynamite]

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They're all becoming super conferences. The Pac-10 needs to get BYU and Utah for a conference title game.

BYU is a no go. Lack of research focus and the whole "We don't play on Sundays" won't fly in the Pac.

 

[bigmrg74]

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BYU is a no go. Lack of research focus and the whole "We don't play on Sundays" won't fly in the Pac.

Plus if you already have Utah in, then BYU really doesn't bring in much more of another media market. Other than one big rivalry game, you're not getting a whole lot of bang for your buck there. Now, if you add a school like Colorado, then you have the whole Metro Denver area in for the new Media deal. Plus, with all of the Cali Transplants in Colorado, you would have to figure that the PAC-Ten Schools would stand to draw well there, along with helping the Cali schools to better utilize their alumni groups out in Colorado.

 

[Terrierbyassociation]

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Well the Pac-10 did have a system built on natural rivalries. I liked that a lot.

Wash-WashSt
OSU-Oregon
USC-UCLA
AzSt-Mildcats
Furd-Kal

Utah-Colorado doesn't seem like a perfect fit.

The other issue is...some teams won't get to face USC every other year for that huge payday. How will that hamper enthusiasm...they need it to be unanimous.

 

[bigmrg74]

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Well the Pac-10 did have a system built on natural rivalries. I liked that a lot.

Wash-WashSt
OSU-Oregon
USC-UCLA
AzSt-Mildcats
Furd-Kal

Utah-Colorado doesn't seem like a perfect fit.

The other issue is...some teams won't get to face USC every other year for that huge payday. How will that hamper enthusiasm...they need it to be unanimous.

True about the fit of a Natural rivalry with Utah-Colorado. It does kinda feel like it would be kinda forced, like how Michigan State-Penn State is. But the only real natural rivalry that Colorado has is the School In Lincoln, and thats probably too far east for the PAC-10's liking. Not to mention that Nebraska has been tossed around as one of the schools being courted by the Big Ten. But with Utah and Colorado in the PAC, then people would then get to talk about BYU-Utah and Colorado-Nebraska as big time non-conference match ups, as those would be games that those schools probably wouldn't mind scheduling yearly. The problem with the PAC Ten is that there's just not a whole lot else in schools out west that would really be up to PAC ten standards. Texas would love to go, but some schools would balk at having to make that trip, and the Texas Legistlature would hogtie the Longhorns if they left the rest of the Big Texas schools to fend for themselves.

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

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True about the fit of a Natural rivalry with Utah-Colorado. It does kinda feel like it would be kinda forced, like how Michigan State-Penn State is. But the only real natural rivalry that Colorado has is the School In Lincoln, and thats probably too far east for the PAC-10's liking.

Nebraska's big rival is Kansas St., and CU has Colorado St.