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College Footbal 2009: Anybody want to be in the Top 5?

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You can argue that Willingham had more legit wins in his first year with ND than Weis has ever had.

He did that with Davie's recruits.

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They can rightly be criticized for it, particularly when Big Ten and other northern teams end up coming to their turf for bowl games.

If you mean that literally, you'll get no complaints from me. As a Maine fan, I can't argue that point. I can instinctively identify with every college football team that has ever had to play Miami in the Orange Bowl.

That kind of stuff should be avoided to whatever extent is possible.

But if it's just a matter of playing a warm weather team in some random warm weather city, I'm less sympathetic.
 
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I swear is it a god dam curse that whoever beats USC promptly loses the next week? :mad:

USC sets them up so we can knock them down.

Stanford tops Oregon 51-42.

Oh man oh man what a day. They did it, after as these years they did it, they got to number 6. I know to others it's only 6 wins and some teams can win 6 games in their sleep, but we've been so close so many times. We've had to climb back from a 1-11 season. When Harbaugh came in and talked about enthusiasm for the program people thought he was crazy, but he did it. It didn't happen overnight, but they climbed a bit each season and got a little better every time. And what a game to win #6. Against the #7 team, who thought it was their right to win the Pac10 this year. Against the school that thinks Nike will buy it a championship every year. Against the fanbase that talks so much crap every year when they win a lot early and then disappear late in the season!
 
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What exactly has Weis accomplished, besides having two good seasons with self-recruited players? 2007 was horrible, 2008 was horrible, and the only reason they're somewhat respectable this year is because they've eked out a couple close games against mediocre/crappy opponents.

FYP.

Weis has given the lie to the myth, perpetrated by Davingham and their enablers, that it's impossible to recruit to ND. He's pulled in top-class talent, and is working on a pretty good recruiting class right now too. That's what he's accomplished.

That, and he's taken the bullet for Ty's non-recruiting that left us somewhere south of probation in terms of how short of scholarship players we were. That's where 2007, and to a lesser extent 2008 came from. Weis made '07 worse than it had to be, but we were screwed when Ty chose the golf course over the recruiting trail.
 
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Michigan's defense > Clemson's kicking game.
 
Re: College Footbal 2009: Anybody want to be in the Top 5?

You can argue that Willingham had more legit wins in his first year with ND than Weis has ever had.

As far as gameday coaching is concerned, Ty's kind of an odd case. He would win games he should have lost, and lose games he should have won. He wasn't completely useless, but he was worse than useless as a recruiter and was incapable of putting together a good staff.
 
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Auburn did it but once they got crushed by USC never played anyone good OOC again.

But they just played mighty Furman! And they held the Paladins to only 31 points.

And you say they never play anyone good OOC. Pshaw!
 
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I have a rules question for you smartypants out there.

I was at TCU @ SDSU and countless times I would see TCU players in motion, but they would never stop...sometimes they would take cuts right as the ball was snapped and get a running start...when did NCAA Football become Arena Football?

Am I missing something? Sometimes I would see that guy running AND the RB running pre snap to already be in position to take the hand off. This should be illegal in all levels of football for two men in motion.

What the hell is going on in college football?
 
Re: College Footbal 2009: Anybody want to be in the Top 5?

I have a rules question for you smartypants out there.

I was at TCU @ SDSU and countless times I would see TCU players in motion, but they would never stop...sometimes they would take cuts right as the ball was snapped and get a running start...when did NCAA Football become Arena Football?

Am I missing something? Sometimes I would see that guy running AND the RB running pre snap to already be in position to take the hand off. This should be illegal in all levels of football for two men in motion.

What the hell is going on in college football?

Except for Canadian Football. ;)

One player can be in motion at the snap, so long as they're not moving towards the opponent's goal. They don't have to stop for the snap.
 
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If I see Notre Dame or Oklahoma ranked again this year, I want those voters executed.

As for SEC teams going north, I know Florida played at Syracuse back when SU was still decent.... So yeah that was a while ago.
 
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Clemson stormed the field after beating Florida State.

Again. Idiots.

FSU has sucked for most of 10 freaking years. How long are they going to keep acting like they beat a top 5 team?
 
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You can argue that Willingham had more legit wins in his first year with ND than Weis has ever had.

He did that with Davie's recruits.

:)

I won't go back and check but didn't ND win those games and only score something like 8 offensive TD's in 8 games or something like that? It was one of the strangest runs I've ever seen. It certainly didn't represent great coaching.

Here is what I'll say about the whole thing. Perhaps Ty did win more games etc. but his recruiting was going south, his 'act' was wearing out with the players, school and alumni and he backed that up with his performance at Washington...he may be a fine person but he cannot recruit, which is a huge requirement. Weis can recruit, he just isn't a good enough head coach.

Ironically, it is what made his successful that also makes him fail. He rode up the coaching elevator with some great head coaches, they didn't need him to be a head coach, just an effective OC. At some point somebody should have said to him "hey Charlie, you should go be the head coach at a low level D1 school for a few years to figure out if you have what it takes...if you stay with me sooner or later you'll be too expensive to get one of those HC jobs but will worry everybody at a bigger school/NFL with your lack of HC experience".

He got he ND job in a weird circumstance where they needed somebody quick...if he wasn't an alum he wouldn't have gotten a look given his lack of HC experience.

Some guys fail at that first HC job and come back in the future with success...maybe they are smarter, maybe they benefit from the chance to clear the slate and start over with new assistants, maybe they get lucky...it is hard to refit the ship while it is sailing full speed and taking enemy fire though, which is why schools fire the guy and bring in somebody else.

Weis gets a lot of slack because he can recruit, he is a ND guy etc. the cupboard won't be bare so there is no need for the school to have a quick trigger...if anything helps him now it will be that his firing will almost certainly cause Clausen, Tate and possible 5th years to leave for the NFL and may cause other top talent to transfer. Their next QB is out for 6 months, anything to 'make' Clausen leave is a mistake. He might leave anyway but I wouldn't hasten that on the assumption that the next guy will do a better job coaching and recruiting at ND. This is even more true if they bring in a guy that runs a completely different offense and defense (look what RR did for continuity at UM). ND fans look at like "bring in Kelly, we'll go 12-0 & win the NC next year with all of this talent"...I think that is very short-sighted.

Now all of that supposes that the best path isn't to take the risk, stay close to the strong HC, rise to the top of th OC ranks, get the HC job, get fired and keep the money while you interview for another job figuring people have short memories and you needed to try for the brass ring...the money is so much that even if you fail you have multiples of money more than you would have had if you'd gone to be the HC at Toledo.
 
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If I see Notre Dame or Oklahoma ranked again this year, I want those voters executed.

If your point is that losing to Navy is an utterly unforgiveable failure on the order of losing to a Rice or Vandy, you're selling Navy short. They lost o Ohio State by 4 and are headed to 10-3.

If the Irish win out they'll have beaten a couple hot teams and they'll be rightfully somewhere 21-25.
 
Re: College Footbal 2009: Anybody want to be in the Top 5?

If I see Notre Dame or Oklahoma ranked again this year, I want those voters executed.

As for SEC teams going north, I know Florida played at Syracuse back when SU was still decent.... So yeah that was a while ago.

Florida lost to Syracuse in the third game of the 1991 season. Florida played Northwestern in the first game in 1965 and 1966 - presumably one of those games was in Illinois. In the first game of the 1955 and 1960 seasons they played GW (they had a team until 1966), but those were almost assuredly home games. So two games (one in a dome) in 65 years. Very impressive.
 
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Ironically, it is what made his successful that also makes him fail. He rode up the coaching elevator with some great head coaches, they didn't need him to be a head coach, just an effective OC. At some point somebody should have said to him "hey Charlie, you should go be the head coach at a low level D1 school for a few years to figure out if you have what it takes...if you stay with me sooner or later you'll be too expensive to get one of those HC jobs but will worry everybody at a bigger school/NFL with your lack of HC experience".

Extremely good point. OTOH, however, if you have the sort of self-confidence and ambition that these guys have, you never once doubt whether you have what it takes -- "proving yourself" is an unfortunate hurdle to be put up with until others inevitably recognize your Sheer Genius.
 
Re: College Footbal 2009: Anybody want to be in the Top 5?

If I see Notre Dame or Oklahoma ranked again this year, I want those voters executed.

As for SEC teams going north, I know Florida played at Syracuse back when SU was still decent.... So yeah that was a while ago.

Penn State and Alabama play each other in 2010 and 2011. The Lions go south next year, with Bama coming here in 11.
 
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