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College Footbal 2009: Anybody want to be in the Top 5?

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bueller, re: rep

I have the research on another PC, but forget November. I don't think the SEC has come north of the Mason-Dixon after mid-September - and that was quite a while ago, if memory serves. LSU traveled to Washington to begin this season, but I don't think the SEC has come North since the days of segregation.

Tennessee played at ND in October or November in 2005.
 
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Wasted? That's ridiculous. Charlie rescued the team from the Willingham abyss. He may not meet expectations, but he'll leave the program in much better shape than it was when he came in.

With their Decided Schematic Advantage, how can Notre Dame ever lose?
 
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:confused:

Do you disagree that Charlie will leave Notre Dame football in better shape than it was when he arrived? I'm not saying the guy will succeed or should survive the season, merely disagreeing that it was a wasted hire. Willingham was a wasted hire. Charlie will have accomplished something at ND, even if it's not enough.
 
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So now Weis should be applauded for being better than Willingham? That's like giving props to Mike Tyson for not being OJ.

Wow. I guess that's why he's gotten more time than Willingham and about what, the same amount of money Willingham got over his entire career at ND for two seasons at ND.

And now you gotta buy out that huge extension.
 
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:confused:

Do you disagree that Charlie will leave Notre Dame football in better shape than it was when he arrived? I'm not saying the guy will succeed or should survive the season, merely disagreeing that it was a wasted hire. Willingham was a wasted hire. Charlie will have accomplished something at ND, even if it's not enough.

He accomplished what exactly? :confused: Besides draining the treasury.
 
Re: College Footbal 2009: Anybody want to be in the Top 5?

:confused:

Do you disagree that Charlie will leave Notre Dame football in better shape than it was when he arrived? I'm not saying the guy will succeed or should survive the season, merely disagreeing that it was a wasted hire. Willingham was a wasted hire. Charlie will have accomplished something at ND, even if it's not enough.

I don't disagree with anything you say, I just think the guy is a raging arsehole. I always enjoy when ND loses, but I enjoy a Weis-led ND team losing even more.
 
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:confused:

Do you disagree that Charlie will leave Notre Dame football in better shape than it was when he arrived? I'm not saying the guy will succeed or should survive the season, merely disagreeing that it was a wasted hire. Willingham was a wasted hire. Charlie will have accomplished something at ND, even if it's not enough.

What exactly has Weis accomplished, besides having two good seasons with Willingham's players? 2007 was horrible, 2008 was horrible, and the only reason they're somewhat respectable this year is because they've eked out a couple close games against mediocre/crappy opponents.
 
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I don't think the SEC has come north of the Mason-Dixon after mid-September - and that was quite a while ago, if memory serves.

I can understand criticizing the number of strong OOC games that SEC teams schedule. What I don't understand is why it matters where they are? Playing at Purdue or Iowa counts for more than playing at Oklahoma or USC?
 
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I can understand criticizing the number of strong OOC games that SEC teams schedule. What I don't understand is why it matters where they are? Playing at Purdue or Iowa counts for more than playing at Oklahoma or USC?

Two sides of the same coin. Any opponent that's worth anything will demand a return visit.
 
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Two sides of the same coin. Any opponent that's worth anything will demand a return visit.

No, the argument was that the SEC never goes North. I have no idea how far back that goes, but for sake of argument, I'll assume it goes back pretty far.

The SEC has scheduled home and homes against top competition. Unless we're already throwing USC and Oklahoma out of that category :p
 
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By SEC you mean Arkansas pre-Petrino? UT with Kiffin?

USC has asked every SEC top team for a home and home and they've all said no. :D
 
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By SEC you mean Arkansas pre-Petrino? UT with Kiffin?

USC has asked every SEC top team for a home and home and they've all said no. :D

And Auburn. That's two series since 2002. Not as many as you want, I guess, but clearly more than what the "Mason" side of the line gets.
 
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No, the argument was that the SEC never goes North. I have no idea how far back that goes, but for sake of argument, I'll assume it goes back pretty far.

The SEC has scheduled home and homes against top competition. Unless we're already throwing USC and Oklahoma out of that category :p

Well, they NEVER go north, and the only go elsewhere at a clip of slightly-less-than-never.

Why? Who knows.

I think the best possible thing to come out of a playoff system would be seeing Alabama or Florida or some other SEC school having to play a road playoff game in Happy Valley, Madison, Iowa City, (pick your favorite colder locale here) on a November evening.
 
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Well, they NEVER go north, and the only go elsewhere at a clip of slightly-less-than-never.

Why? Who knows.

You're usually more precise in your words. Slightly less than never clearly isn't true. Not as often as the USCHO board community would like? Sure :p

The reason why is that they don't need to. Of course. But even if they did decide to ramp up OOC scheduling, why *should* they try to schedule games up north late in the year? Why is it a good idea to intentionally put your team in a position that it can't practice for?

What I'm getting from this is that the SEC could schedule Big10 teams every year and they'd still get called out if they scheduled the games for the first 4 weeks of the season.

That just strikes me as (searching for inoffensive word....) dumb.
 
Re: College Footbal 2009: Anybody want to be in the Top 5?

You're usually more precise in your words. Slightly less than never clearly isn't true. Not as often as the USCHO board community would like? Sure :p

The reason why is that they don't need to. Of course. But even if they did decide to ramp up OOC scheduling, why *should* they try to schedule games up north late in the year? Why is it a good idea to intentionally put your team in a position that it can't practice for?

What I'm getting from this is that the SEC could schedule Big10 teams every year and they'd still get called out if they scheduled the games for the first 4 weeks of the season.

That just strikes me as (searching for inoffensive word....) dumb.

Of course it's not in the SEC's best interests.

Doesn't mean they should get credit for it. They can rightly be criticized for it, particularly when Big Ten and other northern teams end up coming to their turf for bowl games.
 
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Do you disagree that Charlie will leave Notre Dame football in better shape than it was when he arrived? I'm not saying the guy will succeed or should survive the season, merely disagreeing that it was a wasted hire. Willingham was a wasted hire. Charlie will have accomplished something at ND, even if it's not enough.

He's brought the program back to where 10-3 is a firing offense. :D

I disagree Willingham was a wasted hire, though. On paper he looked ideal, and 80% of the way through his first season he looked like Knute Rockne.
 
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