CrossCheck
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Re: Coaching vacancies 2012
Not a hard guess....last I checked there were only 2 Asst. coaches.
Not a hard guess....last I checked there were only 2 Asst. coaches.
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Coaching vacancies 2012
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Re: Coaching vacancies 2012
Done deal; congratulations to Coach Tracy Johnson!!!
https://www.amherst.edu/athletics/teams/winter/icehockey-w/articles/2012-13/0717_johnson
Done deal; congratulations to Coach Tracy Johnson!!!
https://www.amherst.edu/athletics/teams/winter/icehockey-w/articles/2012-13/0717_johnson
MICZamboni
Mr. Know It All
Re: Coaching vacancies 2012
There won't be any vacancies at Mercyhurst University anytime soon. Coach Sisti just signed on for another 4 years today.
There won't be any vacancies at Mercyhurst University anytime soon. Coach Sisti just signed on for another 4 years today.
Re: Coaching vacancies 2012
This is a recipe for disaster. say what you will about how nice these two coaches are as individuals (and they are) but this way way too much way too soon. makes you wonder who else applied or if anyone turned down an offer. experience should count for something to coach at this level.
This is a recipe for disaster. say what you will about how nice these two coaches are as individuals (and they are) but this way way too much way too soon. makes you wonder who else applied or if anyone turned down an offer. experience should count for something to coach at this level.
HockeyEast33
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Re: Coaching vacancies 2012
Time will tell. Coach Duggan at Trinity was basically the same age with the same experience when she unexpectedly got the reins there last season and it turned out pretty well for her and the team. Give these coaches a chance.
I do agree that it makes you wonder who else applied. It does seem like a plum job - but maybe Coach Plumer made more out of it than it was. Their rink isn't good and, despite some large investments there in the next year or so for a fieldhouse, they aren't spending money on a new rink so they are probably 5+ years away from a new one at least. That makes one wonder about the commitment of the school to their hockey programs. The girls team was not great before Plumer got there, let's remind ourselves.
Time will tell. Coach Duggan at Trinity was basically the same age with the same experience when she unexpectedly got the reins there last season and it turned out pretty well for her and the team. Give these coaches a chance.
I do agree that it makes you wonder who else applied. It does seem like a plum job - but maybe Coach Plumer made more out of it than it was. Their rink isn't good and, despite some large investments there in the next year or so for a fieldhouse, they aren't spending money on a new rink so they are probably 5+ years away from a new one at least. That makes one wonder about the commitment of the school to their hockey programs. The girls team was not great before Plumer got there, let's remind ourselves.
CrossCheck
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Re: Coaching vacancies 2012
Hard to say on Amherst. I'm inclined to give her a chance. Seems very nice and more importantly as a coach....a very hard worker and good recruiter. There may be a few bumps in the road, and she probably won't duplicate Plumer's record, but I think she will do just fine [agree on other comments re: need for new rink, etc.] For a school with more money than most 3rd world countries
, it makes you wonder whether hockey is really a priority like it is at Midd and Bowdoin, etc.
Hard to say on Amherst. I'm inclined to give her a chance. Seems very nice and more importantly as a coach....a very hard worker and good recruiter. There may be a few bumps in the road, and she probably won't duplicate Plumer's record, but I think she will do just fine [agree on other comments re: need for new rink, etc.] For a school with more money than most 3rd world countries
, it makes you wonder whether hockey is really a priority like it is at Midd and Bowdoin, etc.dontyelldad
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Re: Coaching vacancies 2012
For the record, Amherst is doing MUCH more than building a new fieldhouse. Total remake of the football field and track.
https://www.amherst.edu/aboutamherst/projects/prattfield
But it was all funded by alumni donations specifically for the purpose.
And yes, they need to do something about that rink!
[agree on other comments re: need for new rink, etc.] For a school with more money than most 3rd world countries
For the record, Amherst is doing MUCH more than building a new fieldhouse. Total remake of the football field and track.
https://www.amherst.edu/aboutamherst/projects/prattfield
But it was all funded by alumni donations specifically for the purpose.
And yes, they need to do something about that rink!
Re: Coaching vacancies 2012
Amherst's new President, Biddy Martin, visited Orr Arena for a women's game (Faculty Appreciation Day?) shortly after her arrival on scene and was reported to have asked something along the lines of why don't we have a new rink (not something I witnessed personally, but via a reliable source). There were rumors of a Midwest source for a lead donation to get the fund raising rolling and with the Pratt Field project in the work, Amherst is clearly willing to invest in athletic infrastructure.
[agree on other comments re: need for new rink, etc.] For a school with more money than most 3rd world countries
Amherst's new President, Biddy Martin, visited Orr Arena for a women's game (Faculty Appreciation Day?) shortly after her arrival on scene and was reported to have asked something along the lines of why don't we have a new rink (not something I witnessed personally, but via a reliable source). There were rumors of a Midwest source for a lead donation to get the fund raising rolling and with the Pratt Field project in the work, Amherst is clearly willing to invest in athletic infrastructure.
HockeyEast33
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Re: Coaching vacancies 2012
Yes, if they can find alumni support Amherst (like all Ivy/NESCAC schools) will definitely put money into athletics - it is the major connection to alumni and .... more money! But I know a little something about alumni development and these things tend to go in waves (barring the unexpected arrival of a major donor). They are investing heavily in the fieldhouse and track/football fields. This will take a couple of years to finish (finishing the payments). After that they will need to spend money on a non-athletic venue(s) of some sort to balance their investments. That will take another few years. Then they will come back to athletics and a hockey rink will likely be near the top of the list - so, 5+ years out from a new rink.
I have been told that one of the major reasons that Coach Plumer left (aside from the opportunity to coach at the Division 1 level) was that he was discouraged that Amherst decided to bypass the rink in this round of investments and that he was so far away from a new rink. It must be hard to compete against Middlebury and Bowdoin - Amherst's major competition for recruits - given the disparity of facilities and he was looking at 5 more years of that. I understand he had other D1 opportunities before but passed them up, so this almost certainly was a factor.
Yes, if they can find alumni support Amherst (like all Ivy/NESCAC schools) will definitely put money into athletics - it is the major connection to alumni and .... more money! But I know a little something about alumni development and these things tend to go in waves (barring the unexpected arrival of a major donor). They are investing heavily in the fieldhouse and track/football fields. This will take a couple of years to finish (finishing the payments). After that they will need to spend money on a non-athletic venue(s) of some sort to balance their investments. That will take another few years. Then they will come back to athletics and a hockey rink will likely be near the top of the list - so, 5+ years out from a new rink.
I have been told that one of the major reasons that Coach Plumer left (aside from the opportunity to coach at the Division 1 level) was that he was discouraged that Amherst decided to bypass the rink in this round of investments and that he was so far away from a new rink. It must be hard to compete against Middlebury and Bowdoin - Amherst's major competition for recruits - given the disparity of facilities and he was looking at 5 more years of that. I understand he had other D1 opportunities before but passed them up, so this almost certainly was a factor.
dontyelldad
old n slo
Re: Coaching vacancies 2012
Amherst has already committed to spend about $200 million for a new science center, to be the largest building on campus, over the next 6 years.
https://www.amherst.edu/aboutamherst/news/news_releases/2012/02/node/381981
My expectation is that if there were alumni funding for a new rink, it wouldn't wait 5 yrs.
Amherst has already committed to spend about $200 million for a new science center, to be the largest building on campus, over the next 6 years.
https://www.amherst.edu/aboutamherst/news/news_releases/2012/02/node/381981
My expectation is that if there were alumni funding for a new rink, it wouldn't wait 5 yrs.
rinkrat890890
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Re: Coaching vacancies 2012
I vaguely remember this argument when Witt became a head coach. I do not believe this is a recipe for disaster. I believe Coach Johnson will be named permanent head coach in the future.
I vaguely remember this argument when Witt became a head coach. I do not believe this is a recipe for disaster. I believe Coach Johnson will be named permanent head coach in the future.
HockeyEast33
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Re: Coaching vacancies 2012
Agree - if there was alumni funding. As noted, fieldhouse/fields project is 100% alumni funded and that was a pre-condition of the project. It appears that they even delayed the science building project a year to get the fieldhouse project in under the lead donor's timeline (and to avoid too much simultaneous construction on a small campus). They've exhausted some of their bigger contributors on the Pratt project. So they will have to find a new series of donors for a new rink - and that will almost certainly take time. But if someone showed up with $20 million today for a new rink, they would be unlikely to turn it down!
Agree - if there was alumni funding. As noted, fieldhouse/fields project is 100% alumni funded and that was a pre-condition of the project. It appears that they even delayed the science building project a year to get the fieldhouse project in under the lead donor's timeline (and to avoid too much simultaneous construction on a small campus). They've exhausted some of their bigger contributors on the Pratt project. So they will have to find a new series of donors for a new rink - and that will almost certainly take time. But if someone showed up with $20 million today for a new rink, they would be unlikely to turn it down!
HockeyEast33
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Re: Coaching vacancies 2012
I believe that there is a good chance that Coach Johnson will be very successful (as noted). However, I'm not sure Witt is a great benchmark - 96-126-23 doesn't exactly scream success...but I guess it's true that it wasn't a disaster.
I believe that there is a good chance that Coach Johnson will be very successful (as noted). However, I'm not sure Witt is a great benchmark - 96-126-23 doesn't exactly scream success...but I guess it's true that it wasn't a disaster.
Re: Coaching vacancies 2012
As for the remarks regarding Amherst's committment to ice hockey it may be wise to note that.....Amherst's Athletic Director Suzanne Coffey was a major stumbling block in Bates College's efforts to bring the sport to a varsity level. She once referred to hockey as "a subculture we don't need on this campus."
It would not be surprising to see Amherst, like Trinity, do well for 1-2 years. These two coaches have inherited ready made teams. The real test will come when they need to start replacing their predecessors squads. They will get some good kids because of the school's academic reputations. But what they will do to develop them may be a different story. Their lack of experience will drop these programs to middle of the pack status for sure. Time will tell.
As for the remarks regarding Amherst's committment to ice hockey it may be wise to note that.....Amherst's Athletic Director Suzanne Coffey was a major stumbling block in Bates College's efforts to bring the sport to a varsity level. She once referred to hockey as "a subculture we don't need on this campus."
It would not be surprising to see Amherst, like Trinity, do well for 1-2 years. These two coaches have inherited ready made teams. The real test will come when they need to start replacing their predecessors squads. They will get some good kids because of the school's academic reputations. But what they will do to develop them may be a different story. Their lack of experience will drop these programs to middle of the pack status for sure. Time will tell.
CrossCheck
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Re: Coaching vacancies 2012
Wait, the President is named "Biddy" ...really?? And the AD comes from Bates? Bates High School?....the place in MAINE with no hockey team or rink??
Better make that 5 year rink plan a 15 year plan.
Wait, the President is named "Biddy" ...really?? And the AD comes from Bates? Bates High School?....the place in MAINE with no hockey team or rink??
Better make that 5 year rink plan a 15 year plan.
dontyelldad
old n slo
Re: Coaching vacancies 2012
Bates: Club hockey and an on campus rink:
http://www.bates.edu/tour/athletics-facilities/underhill-arena/
Bates: Club hockey and an on campus rink:
http://www.bates.edu/tour/athletics-facilities/underhill-arena/
dontyelldad
old n slo
Re: Coaching vacancies 2012
I don't know if the delay in the construction plan for the science center and the Pratt Field project are linked. Demolition on the science center site has already started - they're removing a dorm to make space. And as you may know, Pratt Field is off campus by a couple of blocks. Nobody on campus would be impacted.
But two major projects is a lot for the small staff at the school to manage, for sure.
What the school's commitment to hockey is, I can't tell you. I guess we will see over time.
I don't know if the delay in the construction plan for the science center and the Pratt Field project are linked. Demolition on the science center site has already started - they're removing a dorm to make space. And as you may know, Pratt Field is off campus by a couple of blocks. Nobody on campus would be impacted.
But two major projects is a lot for the small staff at the school to manage, for sure.
What the school's commitment to hockey is, I can't tell you. I guess we will see over time.
ARM
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Re: Coaching vacancies 2012
http://www.uscho.com/2012/07/17/mer...acts-of-mens-coach-gotkin-womens-coach-sisti/
Story:
http://www.uscho.com/2012/07/17/mer...acts-of-mens-coach-gotkin-womens-coach-sisti/