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Coaching Openings

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not only is it not 'night and day'...in some cases, the Tier 1 Club coach [say U16/U19] is More demanding than your typical D3 coach's job.

1. 50-80 games vs 23-25 games
2. More travel [many teams log thousands of miles to travel all over the US and Canada every year.
3. Travel to practice is often 20-50 mile trip...sometimes more....vs. practicing right on campus.
4. The kiddies are older and [presumably] more mature and able to do what needs to be done w/o a lot of hand-holding and yelling.
5. You have the help of qualified assistant coaches, trainers, schedulers, managers, yada, yada that a Club coach could never dream of.
6 and most importantly.....NO NUTTY PARENTS to deal with.

Yup, the D3 coach has it much easier.

I'm not sure where you think you're getting your "Factual" information, but you are sorely mistaken....!!!

Chip:cool:
 
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Good point. I'm not entirely sure on the nature of the classes she was taking or how the entire admissions process works. The fact remains that Mrázová isn't the first (and more than likely) won't be the last kid UMD admissions has an issue with

Mrázová was a registered university student in the Czech Republic. Because of this, she could transfer to a U.S. University without having to show SAT/ACT scores. The problem was with the TOEFL. She had difficulty getting the minimum score necessary - as soon as she finally did, UMD could take her as a transfer student.
 
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I'm not sure where you think you're getting your "Factual" information, but you are sorely mistaken....!!!

Chip:cool:

Really Mr. Chips? Then try to refute any of those statements.

If you don't think those are facts, all I can say is your kid must have played rec hockey, not Tier 1, and you never coached.
 
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Really Mr. Chips? Then try to refute any of those statements.

If you don't think those are facts, all I can say is your kid must have played rec hockey, not Tier 1, and you never coached.

Probably ought to know you are talking to someone who who knows what they speak of. D is a former D1 standout who now is head coach (after years as assistant at, wait for it..., a D3 program.)
 
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Probably ought to know you are talking to someone who who knows what they speak of. D is a former D1 standout who now is head coach (after years as assistant at, wait for it..., a D3 program.)


and your point is?

Still haven't and apparently can't argue the simple facts.


[and why anyone would spend 'years' as a D3 women's hockey assistant coach is another mystery]
 
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and your point is?

Still haven't and apparently can't argue the simple facts.


[and why anyone would spend 'years' as a D3 women's hockey assistant coach is another mystery]

That's cute. Criticizing someone's chosen profession. My guess is they did it because they enjoy what they do for a living. If you were in the same boat, I imagine you'd understand that.
 
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not only is it not 'night and day'...in some cases, the Tier 1 Club coach [say U16/U19] is More demanding than your typical D3 coach's job.

1. 50-80 games vs 23-25 games
2. More travel [many teams log thousands of miles to travel all over the US and Canada every year.
3. Travel to practice is often 20-50 mile trip...sometimes more....vs. practicing right on campus.
4. The kiddies are older and [presumably] more mature and able to do what needs to be done w/o a lot of hand-holding and yelling.
5. You have the help of qualified assistant coaches, trainers, schedulers, managers, yada, yada that a Club coach could never dream of.
6 and most importantly.....NO NUTTY PARENTS to deal with.

Yup, the D3 coach has it much easier.

And I'll take you up on your "challenge".

1. 50-80 games, quite often with 12-15 min periods, and often 2-3 games in a day. not watching film or doing all that stuff between games to prepare. Most cases not on the ice 6 days a week. Etc.
2. Many coaches log thousands of miles a year for recruiting, nevermind what they do with their team.
3. Most coaches don't live on campus, so they still can have significant travel to and from practice. I've heard of several coaches who live upwards of an hour or more from their respective schools.
4. The "kiddies" for youth hockey come to practice and then go home. The "kiddies" in college have to be looked after athletically, academically, and socially, all day every day.
5. Half the Tier 1 club coaches are hardly qualified, but that's a different story. Most D3 coaches will have grad students or part time assistants. They might have a trainer that travels, and maybe a student manager. Schedulers? I highly doubt most D3 coaches have one of those. Tier 1 clubs on the other hand usually have some sort of manager or person within their organization to help with scheduling. In the cases of the real good Tier 1 teams its simply a matter of picking up the phone and confirming which tournament you want to go to.
6. As a former D2 and D3 lacrosse coach, I think its hilarious that you think there are no nutty parents. You think parents become less nutty because little Suzie moves on to college? Sure some coaches choose not to deal with parents at all...but then what happens? They start calling athletic directors or school presidents until someone pays attention. If you're not going to be open and make an honest effort to deal with parents you better hope you have strong administrators standing behind you.
 
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Just for fun, congratulations to Coach Ashley Salerno for joining Coach Bill Mandigo as an assistant for the Panther 2014-2015 season!!!
 
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Really Mr. Chips? Then try to refute any of those statements.

If you don't think those are facts, all I can say is your kid must have played rec hockey, not Tier 1, and you never coached.

and your point is?

Still haven't and apparently can't argue the simple facts.


[and why anyone would spend 'years' as a D3 women's hockey assistant coach is another mystery]

My point was that your supposition / accusation regarding the expertise of the poster was inaccurate. No, wait, just plain wrong. Young coaches often spend years learning the craft as assistants. Those that get put straight into a HC job have a much higher crash and burn rate.
 
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And I'll take you up on your "challenge".

1. 50-80 games, quite often with 12-15 min periods, and often 2-3 games in a day. not watching film or doing all that stuff between games to prepare. Most cases not on the ice 6 days a week. Etc.
2. Many coaches log thousands of miles a year for recruiting, nevermind what they do with their team.
3. Most coaches don't live on campus, so they still can have significant travel to and from practice. I've heard of several coaches who live upwards of an hour or more from their respective schools.
4. The "kiddies" for youth hockey come to practice and then go home. The "kiddies" in college have to be looked after athletically, academically, and socially, all day every day.
5. Half the Tier 1 club coaches are hardly qualified, but that's a different story. Most D3 coaches will have grad students or part time assistants. They might have a trainer that travels, and maybe a student manager. Schedulers? I highly doubt most D3 coaches have one of those. Tier 1 clubs on the other hand usually have some sort of manager or person within their organization to help with scheduling. In the cases of the real good Tier 1 teams its simply a matter of picking up the phone and confirming which tournament you want to go to.
6. As a former D2 and D3 lacrosse coach, I think its hilarious that you think there are no nutty parents. You think parents become less nutty because little Suzie moves on to college? Sure some coaches choose not to deal with parents at all...but then what happens? They start calling athletic directors or school presidents until someone pays attention. If you're not going to be open and make an honest effort to deal with parents you better hope you have strong administrators standing behind you.


1. 12-15 min periods at u16 or u19. Really? [and assuming there were a few games w/ 15 min periods, so what? Is there any less preparation needed for that than a 20 min period? That's just plain silly.
2. Thousands of miles a year for recruiting? Really....Thousands of miles? If that's the case, you're doing it wrong.
3. ok. But I still think the average T1 coach puts more miles on the car.
4. If you have to "look after" college kids on your team 24/7/365 then you recruited the wrong kiddies, coach.
5. You can't be serious...Most D3 coaches have several assistants that help tremendously [recruiting, running practices, etc.] If they aren't helping then again, coach....you picked the wrong assistants. Most T1 coaches are lucky if they have some poor schlub parent Manager...who helps out when they can [between work and family commitments]... Not even close to the resources a college can offer. And how hard is the schedule? In most cases it is the same or nearly the same, year after year.
6. Nutty Parents....at the T1 level the coach is stuck with these nuts...they pay for their kid to play and often there's 'nowhere to run, nowhere to hide'...If you're lucky enough to have a strong Board, you may have some cover, but not much. Any college coach who puts up with nutty parents has only himself/herself to blame. [1] you recruited the kid...and the parents. Do your homework or live with the consequences; [2] the parents are not on campus...interaction should be minimal; [3] It's the coach's job to let parents know their place. They are there to watch the games...that's it. If you can't correct the problem, again...bad on you.
 
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Former Concordia-Moorhead coach Sarah (Erickson) Upton is the new U16 coach at Bauer - Emerson school.
 
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Former Concordia-Moorhead coach Sarah (Erickson) Upton is the new U16 coach at Bauer - Emerson school.

She's still listed as Concordia-Moorhead's head coach for the coming season. She either prefers to live in the Twin Cities or Bauer-Emerson (a high school, formerly Achiever Academy) made her a better offer.
 
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She's still listed as Concordia-Moorhead's head coach for the coming season. She either prefers to live in the Twin Cities or Bauer-Emerson (a high school, formerly Achiever Academy) made her a better offer.
Name change? Are they back in the MSHSL now?
 
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Name change? Are they back in the MSHSL now?

Name AND ownership change. They've also chosen to leave the MSHSL and will play a AAA schedule...not sure who they'll play locally other than SSM. I also saw on the High School Forum that the T-Breds are no more, which is not at all surprising.
 
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have canton and castleton kept their announcements all private or are they not really started yet with their search?
 
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1. 12-15 min periods at u16 or u19. Really? [and assuming there were a few games w/ 15 min periods, so what? Is there any less preparation needed for that than a 20 min period? That's just plain silly.
2. Thousands of miles a year for recruiting? Really....Thousands of miles? If that's the case, you're doing it wrong.
3. ok. But I still think the average T1 coach puts more miles on the car.
4. If you have to "look after" college kids on your team 24/7/365 then you recruited the wrong kiddies, coach.
5. You can't be serious...Most D3 coaches have several assistants that help tremendously [recruiting, running practices, etc.] If they aren't helping then again, coach....you picked the wrong assistants. Most T1 coaches are lucky if they have some poor schlub parent Manager...who helps out when they can [between work and family commitments]... Not even close to the resources a college can offer. And how hard is the schedule? In most cases it is the same or nearly the same, year after year.
6. Nutty Parents....at the T1 level the coach is stuck with these nuts...they pay for their kid to play and often there's 'nowhere to run, nowhere to hide'...If you're lucky enough to have a strong Board, you may have some cover, but not much. Any college coach who puts up with nutty parents has only himself/herself to blame. [1] you recruited the kid...and the parents. Do your homework or live with the consequences; [2] the parents are not on campus...interaction should be minimal; [3] It's the coach's job to let parents know their place. They are there to watch the games...that's it. If you can't correct the problem, again...bad on you.

Again, as I do not wish to get into a "Trolling" debate with you on a public forum I would suggest that some of your assumptions that you interpret as being factual are way off base. While youth hockey and girls hockey especially can be very challenging, you have absolutely no idea what it takes for a young woman to complete school while playing, attend graduate school while coaching and working extra due to the marginal pay and then wade through the hundreds of very qualified potential coaches who compete for a very few spots. Then once given the opportunity, this business at D1 or D3 is very demanding as far as available budget, recruiting (which you have no idea how much time is involved), and the business of actually setting schedules, running your home rink, and conforming to the NCAA Rule Book Regulations. I haven't even touched on the teaching aspect of all the girls who may have some potential, but due to the "Think They Know it All" mentality of their parents and unqualified Youth Coaches who don't even know the basic fundamentals of the game to begin with, must be re-taught before even being allowed to look at the College Coaches Playbook. Sir, if your D is even fortunate enough to be recruited to D3, much less D1, your eyes will be pried wide open.

Chip:cool:
 
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