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Climate Change 3: Whatever you do don't call it a twatwaffle

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BassAle said:
they might care about helping Australia because Australians are white? I assume that's why Trump doesn't get a **** about a certain US territory that has been devastated by hurricanes and earth quakes
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He also doesn’t care about anyone that doesn’t vote for him, but I guess Australia does have a huge amount of trump like people who hate aboriginals and think science is phooey
 
Slap Shot said:
The 60 Minutes story on Venice was heartbreaking. They at least have a chance if their flood barrier project works, but soon it's going to be too late for other cities no matter what we do.
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Mookie heading there in April to see before it’s gone.
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
He also doesn’t care about anyone that doesn’t vote for him, but I guess Australia does have a huge amount of trump like people who hate aboriginals and think science is phooey
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It's a continent of not just criminals but criminals so stupid they got caught. It's like a GOP petri dish.
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
The book the Water Will Come details the Venice Project. I have mixed feelings on it
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Put the whole city on a hydraulic lift. Higher the water, higher it goes.

This has been Civil Engineering by Playwrights.
 
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Why is climate scepticism so successful in the United States?

A month before the COP25, President Trump formally confirmed the exit of the United States from the Paris climate agreement – just one policy change among more than 90 others aimed at rolling back environmental regulations. Because the United States is still the most powerful country in the world whose president has the most media coverage, this has created a toxic “Trump effect” that has weakened the credibility of international commitments and emboldened others, especially populists and nationalists, to shirk their responsibilities.
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Even though Americans are less likely to be concerned about climate change than the rest of the world (by at least about 10 to 20 percentage points), a majority (59%) still see it as a serious threat – a 17-point increase in six years (Pew Research). But the devil is in the details. Only about 27% of Republicans say climate change is a major threat, compared with 83% of Democrats, a 56-percentage point difference!

Climate skepticism/denial exists in other Western democracies, mostly among right-wing populists, but even by comparison, the American Republicans are the least likely to see it as a major threat.

This in turn raises another question: why are American Republicans more skeptical about climate change than right-wing voters in other countries?
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Polarization

American polarization has deep roots in racial, religious and ideological divisions and can be traced back to the reaction of conservatives to the cultural, social and political transformations of the 1960s and 1970s. This polarization eventually made its way into politics in the 1980s and, even more so, in the 1990s when it became a ‘culture war.’ As global warming emerged on the US national agenda, it became one of those divisive hot-button issues in the culture war, along with abortion, gun control, health care, race, women and LGBTQ’s rights.
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Trust and mistrust

More than most other issues, our acceptance of the human impact on climate change is contingent on our trust in science and environmental scientists. For most of us, It is a matter of trust and not intelligence since we cannot do the science ourselves. Americans of all stripes generally trust scientists (86%), except for environmental research where there is a 30-point gap between Republicans and Democrats, a gap – more surprisingly – that is persistent among those with high science knowledge.
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Anti-intellectualism and anti-science

Americans have always tended to distrust the government, the elite and expertise. This is nothing new. In his 1964 Pulitzer Prize winning book, Anti-Intellectualism in American Life, Richard Hofstadter identified two sources of American anti-intellectual sentiment: business, which he depicted as unreflective, and religion, particularly evangelicalism. With its market-oriented, pro-business, and pro-religious agenda, the Republican party is naturally more distrustful of intellectuals and academics, including scientists.

This is fertile ground for right-wing think-tanks and lobbyists to sow doubt in the minds of conservatives who have a cognitive bias against climate change. And there has been no shortage of those, from the Global Climate Coalition, the Koch brothers to the Cato Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the fossil-fuel industry or the Heartland Institute. In Merchants of Doubt, Naomi Oreskes and Erik M. Conway have shown how these groups use a strategy questioning scientific research similar to that used by the tobacco industry in the 1970s and 1980s.
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The Frontier myth of an endless economic bonanza

When confronted by journalists about climate change, President Trump diverts the questions by focusing on the immediate benefits are more concrete than potential, vague, long-term gains, as he did during his news conference with President Macron of France in Biarritz, in August 2019.

This idea that nature offers vast untapped reserves that will yield perpetual and painless growth is evocative of what historian Richard Slotkin called the Frontier’s “bonanza economics”. It is an old American story that back to the Puritans: that the wilderness had to be conquered and transformed, that the Anglo-Saxon race was defined by its ability to exploit it, which also justified the displacement of indigenous people who did not work the land.
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Yet there is another quintessentially American approach to nature. One that sees the presence of the divine in nature and has acknowledged the exhaustability of land and resources. One that is reflected in the writings of Ralph Waldo Emerson, and Henry David Thoreau, in the paintings of the Hudson River School, and in the activism of John Muir. It is also ingrained in the politics of Theodore Roosevelt, who used the ethos of the Frontier for his conservationist policies. If values trump facts, maybe this is the American story that today’s conservatives should embrace.
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We really need this a-hole to be voted out in November.
 
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Funny, my class just this week dove into the “six America’s” and the classifications Of where people sit on climate change

What’s embarrassing is most other nations (even Australia) don’t have a bottom tier group like we do. We are special. The people in that group (many are white men but have range of socioeconomic backgrounds) report they are more knowledgeable and interested in climate chamgr than actual activists- just to deny it. Other nations have issues with people understanding what is going on, and people too stressed about other stuff- but are missing that lovely group we have that follows dumpy and says nothing is happening, no harm being done
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Funny, my class just this week dove into the “six America’s” and the classifications Of where people sit on climate change
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Hadn't seen that before. Thanks.

<img src="https://climatecommunication.yale.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Six_Americas_Climate_System_Models-1024x768.png" height=666>
 
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It’s not another day if we don’t roll something back. Once again, these people can choke on a giant polluted ****

“ Breaking News: The Trump administration is set to end key environmental protections for streams and wetlands, in a victory for farmers and developers.”
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
It’s not another day if we don’t roll something back. Once again, these people can choke on a giant polluted ****

“ Breaking News: The Drumpf administration is set to end key environmental protections for streams and wetlands, in a victory for <strike>farmers and developers</strike> corporations.”
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Fixed the quote.
 
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tD went on yesterday.... best air. Best water. Etc etc etc
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Larry Kudlow, President Trump's chief economic adviser, has an undergraduate degree in history. <a href="https://t.co/iGVEwDwJFJ">https://t.co/iGVEwDwJFJ</a></p>— David Gura (@davidgura) <a href="https://twitter.com/davidgura/status/1220353596153303040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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Can coal still work in a carbon-managed future?

Minnkota Power Cooperative (Grand Forks, ND) believes so and is is putting serious dollars into it.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/opinion/letters/4880580-Letter-Cold-shows-need-for-Project-Tundra

Routinely, subzero temperatures can limit the ability for wind and solar to produce energy for homes and businesses when they need it most.
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Minnkota should know. Back on Jan 29-31, 2019, their faceplate 340 MW wind stations went to zero. It was -30F, and the chargers don't turn (safety brake) below -22F. The only reason they (and the MISO grid in the northern plains) didn't suffer rolling brown-outs was load management (certain customers allow themselves to be switched off at peak times in exchange for rate breaks) or as McLennan states "coal, natural gas and nuclear."
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Can coal still work in a carbon-managed future?

Minnkota Power Cooperative (Grand Forks, ND) believes so and is is putting serious dollars into it.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/opinion/letters/4880580-Letter-Cold-shows-need-for-Project-Tundra



Minnkota should know. Back on Jan 29-31, 2019, their faceplate 340 MW wind stations went to zero. It was -30F, and the chargers don't turn (safety brake) below -22F. The only reason they (and the MISO grid in the northern plains) didn't suffer rolling brown-outs was load management (certain customers allow themselves to be switched off at peak times in exchange for rate breaks) or as McLennan states "coal, natural gas and nuclear."
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The answer is no and the fix to the problem is storage. Once we solve the storage problem fossil fuels are dead.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Once we solve the storage problem fossil fuels are dead.
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You do recall that I've been saying storage is the key to the issue for a long, long time.

We must have baseline load needs met continually (weather independent). Today that's fossil and nuclear; tomorrow I suspect it'll be large scale storage.


Side note: Notice "storage" and not "battery" by both Scoob and I. Battery puts one notion into many minds; energy storage opens up plethora options.
 
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