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CCHA teams will join WCHA

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5hole said:
Let me try to simplify this. BFL, it does not matter what a blogger from Alaska thinks or a guy who takes off his shirt at games thinks ... it is what the AD's think and what they will accept. The AHA4 AD's were not willing to accept the long, difficult trip to Alaska from the Eastern Time zone whether or not it was mostly paid for by the Alaskan schools. Too long, too difficult ... and, most importantly, too much time out of real classes.

One of the problems with UAH's program is that they cannot give guarantees on game days and times. The AHA4 does not want some of the travel experiences that they have had in the past with games on Thursday or Sunday. Too much time away from campus, away from real classes. It is not fair to their student-athletes. The AHA teams are skeptical that they could even make some type of inclusion in the WCHA work because of the number of schools in Minnie, let alone including an Alaskan school.

And those are not my words, that comes straight from the source.
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And I'm not talking about the AHA4, thats easy to understand because all of them are coming form farther away than anyone in the new WCHA. 2 trips to alaska (which is going to happen in the current "new" wcha), means 6 missed days of class if you make 2 trips, 1 trip to alaska with back to back weekends @ UAF & UAA means 8 missed class days. That isn't a huge deal when considering the cost savings. This is 2011, not the 1980s or 90s before computer technology. Players can get the class time they need and don't have to make the "long" trip to alaska twice. Seems like a good idea to me.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
Actually, more often then not, they don't. Last season UAA's two week road was in January, in the middle of semester.
http://www.uscho.com/scoreboard/alaska-anchorage/mens-hockey/2010-2011/

Previous season to that, it was again in January.
http://www.uscho.com/scoreboard/alaska-anchorage/mens-hockey/2009-2010/

So you're dead wrong. They miss class, a lot of class time, but it is made through various means, including mandatory class times while on the road.
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The trip to Denver and Tech in 09-10 wasn't during class time. The semester didn't start until the following week, as it does this year. The St Cloud/ Minnesota State series had a week off between them. In 2010-11, the trip to Minnnesota and Minnesota State included Spring Break.
 
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Shirtless, although I did give specific examples of who and where, the point I was trying to make was less about Alaska or the AHA teams and more about missed class time due to any extended trip ... that the AD's have a different perspective, different priorities and different obligations.
 
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Worrying about student-athletes missing class time in D-I sports = funny.



Old LSSU joke:
Question: How many LSSU hockey players does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Answer: Just one . . . But he gets three credits for it.
 
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5hole said:
Shirtless, although I did give specific examples of who and where, the point I was trying to make was less about Alaska or the AHA teams and more about missed class time due to any extended trip ... that the AD's have a different perspective, different priorities and different obligations.
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What would a student athlete rather do during the course of a season? leave on wednesday twice for alaska, get back very late on sunday twice? Or head up one wednesday, be out of town but able to do school work, attend classes virtually the entire following week and only have one really long sunday. Sounds like an easy choice to me for an AD. This might be hockey, but its still D1. Not to mention this is the exception, not the rule. Midwest to Alaska is a special case, this isn't Houghton to Denver/Colorado Springs.
 
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Lakerblue said:
Worrying about student-athletes missing class time in D-I sports = funny.



Old LSSU joke:
Question: How many LSSU hockey players does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Answer: Just one . . . But he gets three credits for it.
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Glad to have an understanding of the importance of academics at LSSU.
 
New Travel Plan for WCHA teams to UAF / UAA Back-2-Back Games Released

New Travel Plan for WCHA teams to UAF / UAA Back-2-Back Games Released

In order to reduce time out of class AND cut costs, the WCHA has mandated that teams must play at UAF and UAA in consecutive weekends AND teams must plane-pool to AK with their biggest rival in an effort to increase sportsmanship. For example MTU and NMU must share a plane to Anchorage. NMU will then continue on to Fairbanks. The following weekend they switch locations for another pair of games and then meet back in Anchorage to share a flight back to the lower 48, sing kumbaya and roast smores.
Problem solved,
Ryan J
 
Priceless said:
UAA goes back to school right after the New Year?

Code: 
Fri.		Jan. 8	7:35 MT	1	@	Denver	1	T/OT		WC	Box 	Recap	
Sat.		Jan. 9	7:05 MT	2	@	Denver	3	L		WC	Box 	Recap	
Fri.		Jan. 15	7:05 ET	6	@	Tech	2	W		WC	Box 	Recap	
Sat.		Jan. 16	5:05 ET	5	@	Tech	4	W		WC	Box 	Recap
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Yes, they do. Usually the first full week.
 
Re: New Travel Plan for WCHA teams to UAF / UAA Back-2-Back Games Released

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JohnsonsJerseys said:
In order to reduce time out of class AND cut costs, the WCHA has mandated that teams must play at UAF and UAA in consecutive weekends AND teams must plane-pool to AK with their biggest rival in an effort to increase sportsmanship. For example MTU and NMU must share a plane to Anchorage. NMU will then continue on to Fairbanks. The following weekend they switch locations for another pair of games and then meet back in Anchorage to share a flight back to the lower 48, sing kumbaya and roast smores.
Problem solved,
Ryan J
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So are they chartering? Do you have a link? Not dooubting you Ryan, because you stuff is usually right on.
 
davyd83 said:
The trip to Denver and Tech in 09-10 wasn't during class time. The semester didn't start until the following week, as it does this year. The St Cloud/ Minnesota State series had a week off between them. In 2010-11, the trip to Minnnesota and Minnesota State included Spring Break.
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Look again dummy. Spring semester at UAA starts first week of January, Jan. 3 this school year. That trip in 2010 was during the first week of classes. In 2011 there was a 2 week road trip at the end of January with Denver and Minnesota. So yes it happens during classes. In fact it rarely happens during break because the players go home.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
This is 2011, not the 1980s or 90s before computer technology. Players can get the class time they need and don't have to make the "long" trip to alaska twice. Seems like a good idea to me.
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You guys keep saying this, but an awful lot of classes are not online classes. If you sign up for a traditional classroom-delivery class, there is not just some easy way to keep up with class via internet while you're gone. You're either there or you're not..
 
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MavsFan said:
You guys keep saying this, but an awful lot of classes are not online classes. If you sign up for a traditional classroom-delivery class, there is not just some easy way to keep up with class via internet while you're gone. You're either there or you're not..
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They may not be true "online" classes, but in this day & age of technology I can't imagine any school not having all the class materials available online thru their school network - everything from notes, homework assignments, "smart" board downloads of all the prof's notes, lecture audio and/or video, etc.

As has been stated, the guys playing at this level are used to this and long ago learned to work with their teachers to get homework assignments ahead of known travel and make arrangements. In 12+ years of travel I know we only encoutered an issue with one teacher. I don't want to dismiss their missing class as not being something to keep tabs on, but it's not the major issue some are making it out to be.
 
fangers said:
They may not be true "online" classes, but in this day & age of technology I can't imagine any school not having all the class materials available online thru their school network - everything from notes, homework assignments, "smart" board downloads of all the prof's notes, lecture audio and/or video, etc.
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All of those things are the intellectual property of the professor. The school can't just take them and put them online without permission. I think you'd be surprised how few courses have such material available like that. You really think any significant percentage of daily class lectures/activities are being video or audio recorded?
 
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The points about the new age of computers etc are well made. However AD's and more importantly, Presidents of Universities generally believe in classroom experiences. They do not like players to miss a ton of time, computers or not. Saving class time is an important issue to them. Now whether this is something that would kill a league affiliation, apparently it did.
 
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fangers said:
I can't imagine any school not having all the class materials available online thru their school network - everything from notes, homework assignments, "smart" board downloads of all the prof's notes, lecture audio and/or video, etc.
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Homework Assignments/Online submission - Yes
Everything else - Get to class

At least that was my experience.
 
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Back on track: There's one interesting angle to all of these developments that I'd be interested in hearing your guys' take.

Let's say that the CCHA is saved by having BGSU, the AHA4 (Niagara, Mercyhurst, Canisius and Robert Morris) team up with either an upstart Buffalo or RIT. What becomes of AHA? Let's consider something with AHA: those leftovers are not exactly moneybags. While I'm sure that there are a few schools in there that are getting by just fine (Army and Air Force, in particular), several of them get absolutely abysmal attendance figures and I can't imagine that they're doing very well in the bank. If they dwindle down to 7 or 8 teams, is there a danger of the AHA becoming the new CHA?
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Back on track: There's one interesting angle to all of these developments that I'd be interested in hearing your guys' take.

Let's say that the CCHA is saved by having BGSU, the AHA4 (Niagara, Mercyhurst, Canisius and Robert Morris) team up with either an upstart Buffalo or RIT. What becomes of AHA? Let's consider something with AHA: those leftovers are not exactly moneybags. While I'm sure that there are a few schools in there that are getting by just fine (Army and Air Force, in particular), several of them get absolutely abysmal attendance figures and I can't imagine that they're doing very well in the bank. If they dwindle down to 7 or 8 teams, is there a danger of the AHA becoming the new CHA?
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The AHA needs to open up some slots for Navy and Rhode Island (both mentioned by the AHA commissioner) or whoever else might be interested. If worse came to worst, some of the DII's remaining in New England could join.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Would they even be eligible? I thought you couldn't play up anymore.
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There is no DII championship so yes they can still play up if they choose. The difference between the AHA and CHA is geography. If the AHA teams that like the scholarship limit were worried about making bad attendance and everything, they would have folded already.
 
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