CCHA teams will join WCHA

[moose97]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

I'm a bit surprised no one posted this until now:

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/335463/

 

[Andrew J Carter]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

I'm a bit surprised no one posted this until now:

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/335463/

My friend, Doug Peters, has lost his mind. There is no way those dollars will be firm and perpetual. I hate to see him go out on the limb like this. Yes, the Fargo-Moorhead area is up and coming, but do the NDSU fans (who just beat the Gophers in FB last week) really want to dig into this precious and finite financial pie to give some to this extravagant project? And the Moorhead fans are used to gross underfunding (their football team for example) at the DII level. Yes, basketball is now near fully funded, BUT can it be sustained? I'll still eat my hat if this works out for Doug and the Moorhead Dragoons (intentional spelling error). Actually, I wish them the best, but I just don't see it.
Andrew J Carter

 

[Shirtless Guy]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

Whom would you pick instead if RPI goes to HEA? They probably make the most sense, and furthermore they keep getting mixed up with RPI anyway.

Bowling Green?

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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And usually when they do it, it's in conjunction with a Thanksgiving, Christmas or Spring Break, not always. but often. If you are to play Friday/Saturday in both Fairbanks and Anchorage on a trip, that would require 7-8 days of missed class. If you play them separately, you have a max of six missed class days. Those missed class days come into play if you are one of the Minnesota schools and would have 2nd day bus trips to LSSU, Ferris or possibly Bowling Green

you still haven't found any proof of NCAA rules on missed class time limits.

 

[davyd83]

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you still haven't found any proof of NCAA rules on missed class time limits.

I cannot find an NCAA publication. However I am seeing many different schools with limits of 10 days per semester. Strangely they all seem to have the same definition of what constitutes a missed day or portion of a missed day. So though there may not be an official NCAA number of dates, there are standards that must be met.

 

[ACSabercat]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

I cannot find an NCAA publication. However I am seeing many different schools with limits of 10 days per semester. Strangely they all seem to have the same definition of what constitutes a missed day or portion of a missed day. So though there may not be an official NCAA number of dates, there are standards that must be met.

In my effort to totally to beat this discussion to death: Are these excused or unexused absences?

If the missed days is 10 days per semester; remember the hockey season extends over fall and spring semester so that's 20 missed days during the season; not counting offical holiday/semester breaks, spring break, etc. If a team somehow needed an extra day to, say, go the NCAA or FrozenFour - the administration could wiggle out of it by declaring it an "official university function" to save face or simply look the other way knowing it would be doubtful anyone would complain.

 

[davyd83]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

In my effort to totally to beat this discussion to death: Are these excused or unexused absences?

If the missed days is 10 days per semester; remember the hockey season extends over fall and spring semester so that's 20 missed days during the season; not counting offical holiday/semester breaks, spring break, etc. If a team somehow needed an extra day to, say, go the NCAA or FrozenFour - the administration could wiggle out of it by declaring it an "official university function" to save face or simply look the other way knowing it would be doubtful anyone would complain.

In the policies that I found, tournament play is exempt. The number is also per semester, not a total for the season. Besides class time, some have suggested playing Sat/ Sun one week and Thur/Fri the next. The problem with that is attendance (and revenue) for the home team.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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In the policies that I found, tournament play is exempt. The number is also per semester, not a total for the season. Besides class time, some have suggested playing Sat/ Sun one week and Thur/Fri the next. The problem with that is attendance (and revenue) for the home team.

playing thursday/friday doesn't save any class time on the back end. One of the 2 series can be your regular schedule. I honestly dont see what the big deal is in this day and age that ONE week in a given season, the team would be gone. There is plenty of time to sit in a computer lab and virtually attend classes, etc.

 

[davyd83]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

playing thursday/friday doesn't save any class time on the back end. One of the 2 series can be your regular schedule. I honestly dont see what the big deal is in this day and age that ONE week in a given season, the team would be gone. There is plenty of time to sit in a computer lab and virtually attend classes, etc.

I agree, but you have to convince the academics in your campus system. Then you have to allow all of your other sports the same latitude. Then you have to convince one of the Alaska schools to give up the revenue from 1000 tickets or more by playing on Thursday or Sunday instead of one of the weekend nights.

 

[uaafanblog]

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The Seawolves have stayed over in the lower 48 for a series in every WCHA season that I can remember. I've never heard a complaint about it affecting any player's education from any player. I'll stipulate that UAA isn't Stanford but there are plenty of hockey players that left that school with a good civil engineering degree. Gregg Zaprozan played four years in the WCHA as a Seawolf and finished with some sort of biology degree or something went to grad school and now he's a doctor in Anchorage. And that was before college level education included to any great extent the tools that are available now for distance learning.

Additionally, student-athletes at most schools get priority registration don't they? And don't athletic departments have advisors and stuff like that who help plug their athletes into schedules and classes that are best suited to a student that has to travel extensively and maintain grades?

None of these travel problems that keep being brought up in this thread have much merit from my perspective.

 

[ACSabercat]

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None of these travel problems that keep being brought up in this thread have much merit from my perspective.

........and that pretty much sums it up!

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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I agree, but you have to convince the academics in your campus system. Then you have to allow all of your other sports the same latitude. Then you have to convince one of the Alaska schools to give up the revenue from 1000 tickets or more by playing on Thursday or Sunday instead of one of the weekend nights.

You don't have to give your other sports the same latitude because none of them have to go to Alaska TWICE. The NCAA has travel restrictions on every other trip, but Alaska/Hawaii are treated differently. Why should this be any different?

 

[5hole]

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........and that pretty much sums it up!

Yes it does, from my perspective.

 

[davyd83]

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The Seawolves have stayed over in the lower 48 for a series in every WCHA season that I can remember.

And if you notice, when both UAA and UAF make their back to back appearances in the lower 48 this year, both of them have all or at least half of that trip during break. UAA will miss four days, UAF won't miss any.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

And if you notice, when both UAA and UAF make their back to back appearances in the lower 48 this year, both of them have all or at least half of that trip during break. UAA will miss four days, UAF won't miss any.

And I would assume the master scheduler for the wcha will try and do that for as many teams as he can.

 

[davyd83]

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And I would assume the master scheduler for the wcha will try and do that for as many teams as he can.

And how many teams can all get into Fairbanks and Anchorage during a break? Everyone's Thanksgiving break comes at the same time. Spring Breaks all run pretty close together. Of course, nobody really wants to play at home during those breaks because their students are gone. There are so many moving parts to making a schedule. It's not a simple solution. It is very unlikely that you will see very many teams do this. Right now the Alaska schools cover alot of expense. Who will pick up the tab for another three nights in a hotel and three days of meals? That's a tab of roughly $6000-7500 depending on the hotel.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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And how many teams can all get into Fairbanks and Anchorage during a break? Everyone's Thanksgiving break comes at the same time. Spring Breaks all run pretty close together. Of course, nobody really wants to play at home during those breaks because their students are gone. There are so many moving parts to making a schedule. It's not a simple solution. It is very unlikely that you will see very many teams do this. Right now the Alaska schools cover alot of expense. Who will pick up the tab for another three nights in a hotel and three days of meals? That's a tab of roughly $6000-7500 depending on the hotel.

but its only 25 flights instead of 50...I think UAF & UAA can figure it out. You're really making a mountain over a mole hill with all of this. There are details to be worked out for sure but honestly the more important question is what are UAA & UAF willing to pay the other members of their 2013-14 conference for coming up to Alaska regardless of how things are scheduled. Will UAA be willing to pay for NMU, LSSU, FSU to make the trip? Will UAA be willing to continue paying what they currently are spending for MTU, MSUM, BSU (do they currently pay anything for BSU, MSUM?) to make the trip annually?

 

[Jimjamesak]

And if you notice, when both UAA and UAF make their back to back appearances in the lower 48 this year, both of them have all or at least half of that trip during break. UAA will miss four days, UAF won't miss any.

Actually, more often then not, they don't. Last season UAA's two week road was in January, in the middle of semester.
http://www.uscho.com/scoreboard/alaska-anchorage/mens-hockey/2010-2011/

Previous season to that, it was again in January.
http://www.uscho.com/scoreboard/alaska-anchorage/mens-hockey/2009-2010/

So you're dead wrong. They miss class, a lot of class time, but it is made through various means, including mandatory class times while on the road.

 

[5hole]

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Let me try to simplify this. BFL, it does not matter what a blogger from Alaska thinks or a guy who takes off his shirt at games thinks ... it is what the AD's think and what they will accept. The AHA4 AD's were not willing to accept the long, difficult trip to Alaska from the Eastern Time zone whether or not it was mostly paid for by the Alaskan schools. Too long, too difficult ... and, most importantly, too much time out of real classes.

One of the problems with UAH's program is that they cannot give guarantees on game days and times. The AHA4 does not want some of the travel experiences that they have had in the past with games on Thursday or Sunday. Too much time away from campus, away from real classes. It is not fair to their student-athletes. The AHA teams are skeptical that they could even make some type of inclusion in the WCHA work because of the number of schools in Minnie, let alone including an Alaskan school.

And those are not my words, that comes straight from the source.

 

[Priceless]

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Actually, more often then not, they don't. Last season UAA's two week road was in January, in the middle of semester.
http://www.uscho.com/scoreboard/alaska-anchorage/mens-hockey/2010-2011/

Previous season to that, it was again in January.
http://www.uscho.com/scoreboard/alaska-anchorage/mens-hockey/2009-2010/

So you're dead wrong. They miss class, a lot of class time, but it is made through various means, including mandatory class times while on the road.

UAA goes back to school right after the New Year?

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