CCHA teams will join WCHA

[scsutommyboy]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

I do know, from my distant perch overlooking Whitefish Bay, that UND and Dave Hakstol, and UMD and Scott Sandelin, were the driving forces in getting BSU into the WCHA . . . so much so that Bemidji made a special request to have the Sioux be the team the Beaver hosted when they opened their new stadium. I recall reading at the time both coaches (from UND and BSU) virtually gushing over each other and the close relationship the two schools had forged. I know that Duluth and UND made home-and-home reciprocal agreements with BSU before BSU joined the WCHA, and that Duluth and UND were well known to have worked very hard in favor of BSU.

Interesting that one year later, both UND and Duluth would bolt for a new league -- although that was after the Big (6) Ten schools made their move.

And its absurd the amount of fake love being shown UAH:

From the Big (6) Ten fans -- really? Thou speaketh with forked tongue. If anybody should just keep their yaps shut about conference realingment, it should be the Big (6) Ten people. Your schools started all this mess. Enjoy you TV money and your quasi-conference championship, and please don't preach about loyalty and service to the college hockey world.

From the NCHC fans -- really? I wonder why the NCHC is not invting UAH. This new league allegedly is supposed to not be restricted by travel or region. And UAH has a nice big building waiting. And obviously, lets be honest, UAH has shown more commitment to hockey than any other D-I school merely by surviving when everything -- and I mean everything -- in the hockey universe is telling them to quit.

And from the WCHA (and soon-to-be WCHA) fans: really? For over a month, people (at least on this board) were moaning over the travel costs to Fairbanks and Sault Ste. Marie for the remaining WCHA teams. Anyone from Fairbanks who supported moving to the WCHA was shot down within moments. LSSU was disregarded as a far flung outpost someplace east of Greenland. The flight is too long, too many academic issues, play W-Th games . . . And yet now -- NOW -- you want to feel sorry for UAH, when there is no chance for UAH to join the league, suddenly take up its noble cause?

Here is an idea -- for everyone feeling bad for UAH -- why don't all of the schools agree to home and home contracts with UAH? Where is Minnesota making that pitch? Where is SCSU? Where is North Dakota? With all these forthcoming available NC games for the Big (6) Ten and the NCHC, I assume that UAH will have NOOOOOO trouble filling its home schedule, right? Oh . . . yeah . . . thats right . . . not darned likely, is it, that Minnesota or Michigan or CC are going to play in Alabama, huh?

Keep talking the good fight, but remember: "Bravery, in the face of no oppostion, is just another face of a coward." -- Hemmingway.

If they loved them so much why not invite them to the NCHC?

 

[SCSU Euro]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

I said over the last 20 years. When the Huskies played the Gophers every year they only got UW at home once every three or four years. With the 12 teams it would have been more, but that hasn't happened and now the league has split up.

I know it is not in writing yet but I heard we will do a home and home with them every year and so will Mankato. then UMD and BSU will trade off years. That way they still get the home games they need every year. Is this for sure? no, but you don't know it won't happen either....

Well I've only followed the program since we've been playing Wisconsin every year, so I'll take your word for it old man.

They don't need close by road games, but economically speaking it does have benefits.

Again, MN doesn't DO away OOC games.

If it wasn't for the Gophers BSU would not be in the WCHA..... Let's wait and see what happens before you lay into what the gophers won't do. It only makes sense for the Gophers to play SCSU and Mankato home and home every year. that way they have one home weekend locked up and more important one road series locked up without having a hotel....

I was in no way bashing MN's involvement with BSU, I was saying that they did that to EVERYBODY; they'll host you, but won't travel. So when the other SCSU poster chimed in that they weren't being noble, they were just serving their own interests by locking up close by travelling games, I was pointing out they used to just send out invites so now I'm WAY impressed if they show up in everybody's building for two games every two years.

I'm only laughing at the WCHA remnants (I'm looking at you SCSU, MTU, MSU-M, UAA, BSU) that were so bemoaning the evils of the Big Ten and NCHC doing what was only best for them and not looking out for the greater good of college hockey.

Now they've done the exact same thing.

Yesterday was a dark day for UAH.

We don't know what they'll do yet, but my guess is it won't shake out easily and there's still a decent chance UAH gets a home in the WCHA or somewhere else.

I do know, from my distant perch overlooking Whitefish Bay, that UND and Dave Hakstol, and UMD and Scott Sandelin, were the driving forces in getting BSU into the WCHA . . . so much so that Bemidji made a special request to have the Sioux be the team the Beaver hosted when they opened their new stadium. I recall reading at the time both coaches (from UND and BSU) virtually gushing over each other and the close relationship the two schools had forged. I know that Duluth and UND made home-and-home reciprocal agreements with BSU before BSU joined the WCHA, and that Duluth and UND were well known to have worked very hard in favor of BSU.

Interesting that one year later, both UND and Duluth would bolt for a new league -- although that was after the Big (6) Ten schools made their move.

And its absurd the amount of fake love being shown UAH:

From the Big (6) Ten fans -- really? Thou speaketh with forked tongue. If anybody should just keep their yaps shut about conference realingment, it should be the Big (6) Ten people. Your schools started all this mess. Enjoy you TV money and your quasi-conference championship, and please don't preach about loyalty and service to the college hockey world.

From the NCHC fans -- really? I wonder why the NCHC is not invting UAH. This new league allegedly is supposed to not be restricted by travel or region. And UAH has a nice big building waiting. And obviously, lets be honest, UAH has shown more commitment to hockey than any other D-I school merely by surviving when everything -- and I mean everything -- in the hockey universe is telling them to quit.

And from the WCHA (and soon-to-be WCHA) fans: really? For over a month, people (at least on this board) were moaning over the travel costs to Fairbanks and Sault Ste. Marie for the remaining WCHA teams. Anyone from Fairbanks who supported moving to the WCHA was shot down within moments. LSSU was disregarded as a far flung outpost someplace east of Greenland. The flight is too long, too many academic issues, play W-Th games . . . And yet now -- NOW -- you want to feel sorry for UAH, when there is no chance for UAH to join the league, suddenly take up its noble cause?

Here is an idea -- for everyone feeling bad for UAH -- why don't all of the schools agree to home and home contracts with UAH? Where is Minnesota making that pitch? Where is SCSU? Where is North Dakota? With all these forthcoming available NC games for the Big (6) Ten and the NCHC, I assume that UAH will have NOOOOOO trouble filling its home schedule, right? Oh . . . yeah . . . thats right . . . not darned likely, is it, that Minnesota or Michigan or CC are going to play in Alabama, huh?

Keep talking the good fight, but remember: "Bravery, in the face of no oppostion, is just another face of a coward." -- Hemmingway.

Hey Donald, congrats! In two years you won't be the most lost WCHA poster.

 

[SanTropez]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

If they loved them so much why not invite them to the NCHC?

Pretty much, but because it's not Minnesota he will give them a pass.

He only has hate for the center of the College Hockey world... Minnesota.

 

[bronconick]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

It appears Western is no longer latching itself to Notre Dame's coat tails.

http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2011/08/western_michigan_hockey_no_lon.html

Notre Dame's probably got something like a year-long time line for them to make their decision and told Kathy "Yeah, we're not going to make our mind up by mid-September. Accept it if you want."

Western'll probably accept in the last couple days before the 30 day deadline expires to avoid inadvertently going independent and worry about theoretical invitations elsewhere down the road.

 

[dggoddard]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

Notre Dame's probably got something like a year-long time line for them to make their decision and told Kathy "Yeah, we're not going to make our mind up by mid-September. Accept it if you want."

You would think that Notre Dame would like to firm things up so they could clearly communicate with recruits and work on non-conference opponents.

 

[moose97]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

I do know, from my distant perch overlooking Whitefish Bay, that UND and Dave Hakstol, and UMD and Scott Sandelin, were the driving forces in getting BSU into the WCHA . . . so much so that Bemidji made a special request to have the Sioux be the team the Beaver hosted when they opened their new stadium. I recall reading at the time both coaches (from UND and BSU) virtually gushing over each other and the close relationship the two schools had forged. I know that Duluth and UND made home-and-home reciprocal agreements with BSU before BSU joined the WCHA, and that Duluth and UND were well known to have worked very hard in favor of BSU.

Where to go with this...

Let's start with the fact that it was Joel Maturi (not tDon) running the "BSU to the WCHA" ship (since, you know, he's the AD and not a coach who can tell the FAR how to vote - and he's in the WCHA meetings, not tDon). Maturi has always been supportive of BSU's inclusion, and his son ran Beaver Pride for a couple years.

Also, BSU requested UND for it's home opener (rather than Minn) since UND scheduled BSU (or invited them to their tourney - not to mention playing them in Bemidji) every year after going D-I. To answer the earlier asked question, Minnesota played BSU in Bemidji exactly once (note one game, not one series) before BSU getting into the WCHA. UMD and MSU Moorhead are the only other teams that can claim they played BSU annually.

Sigh - honestly, I'm tired of this. Wake me when there's some actual hockey being played...

 

[Lakerblue]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

"Minnesota*coach Don Lucia was a strong supporter of Bemidji State’s bid to become a WCHA member next season. This past week he kept repeating the Beavers were ready to join arguably the nation’s toughest conference."

http://rinkandrun.areavoices.com/2009/11/17/next-up-gophers/

And yet the BSU people kept mentioning the Sioux and the Bulldogs, who did more than talk about supporting BSU, but scheduled away games in Bemidji prior to the WCHA admission.. . . Perspective is an interesting thing . . . The Sioux were invited specifically to open the new stadium because of that program's steadfast loyalty and dedication and support to BSU.


A clip from the GF Herald, dated October 14, 2010:

Grand Forks Herald --- (BSU Coach Serratore said) “We respect their program (UND) so much,” said Serratore, who is entering his 10th season as head coach of the Beavers. “They came and played us at the John Glas Fieldhouse when we were emerging as a D-I program. I look at those guys as great ambassadors to the game.

“They were the only team we really wanted to open up with. I’m glad that they can share this event with us.”

There’s no doubt that UND had a role in helping the Bemidji State program to this day. It was former Sioux coach Bob Peters who led the Beavers through NAIA, NCAA Division III and NCAA Division II levels before hitting the big time. He will drop a ceremonial first puck tonight.

In 2001, UND became the first national powerhouse to travel to Bemidji to play in a two-game, Division I series. The Sioux made subsequent trips to Bemidji in 2005, 2007 and 2008.
UND also lobbied in support of Bemidji State’s acceptance into the WCHA when it appeared the Beavers had no other conference options.

“They took care of us,” Serratore said.

So, when the WCHA released the 2010-11 schedule, Serratore publicly thanked the league for accommodating Bemidji State’s request.
Tonight, reality sinks in for the Beavers.

 

[moose97]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

And yet the BSU people kept mentioning the Sioux and the Bulldogs, who did more than talk about supporting BSU, but scheduled away games in Bemidji prior to the WCHA admission.. . . Perspective is an interesting thing . . . The Sioux were invited specifically to open the new stadium because of that program's steadfast loyalty and dedication and support to BSU.

Listen - I like LSSU (I have family in the Soo - pretty big Laker boosters too - and my wife graduated from Rudyard HS), but stop reading stuff on the internet (unless you're getting the GF Herald delivered to your door) and talk to people who were actually in the WCHA meetings at the time. It will do you a world of good on the, um, facts side of thing...

 

[Lakerblue]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

If they loved them so much why not invite them to the NCHC?

Um, that was my point. Exactly my point. Did you not see that? Very odd reading skills exhibited by some people . . . .

 

[Lakerblue]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

Listen - I like LSSU (I have family in the Soo and my wife graduated from Rudyard HS), but stop reading stuff on the internet (unless you're getting the GF Herald delivered to your door) and talk to people who were actually in the WCHA meetings at the time. It will do you a world of good on the, um, facts side of thing...

You mean like clips from GF Herald, as posted below?

Is that what you meant?

Just curious . . . .



Grand Forks Herald --- (BSU Coach Serratore said) “We respect their program (UND) so much,” said Serratore, who is entering his 10th season as head coach of the Beavers. “They came and played us at the John Glas Fieldhouse when we were emerging as a D-I program. I look at those guys as great ambassadors to the game.

“They were the only team we really wanted to open up with. I’m glad that they can share this event with us.”

There’s no doubt that UND had a role in helping the Bemidji State program to this day. It was former Sioux coach Bob Peters who led the Beavers through NAIA, NCAA Division III and NCAA Division II levels before hitting the big time. He will drop a ceremonial first puck tonight.

In 2001, UND became the first national powerhouse to travel to Bemidji to play in a two-game, Division I series. The Sioux made subsequent trips to Bemidji in 2005, 2007 and 2008.
UND also lobbied in support of Bemidji State’s acceptance into the WCHA when it appeared the Beavers had no other conference options.

“They took care of us,” Serratore said.

So, when the WCHA released the 2010-11 schedule, Serratore publicly thanked the league for accommodating Bemidji State’s request.

 

[Bronzebacks]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

I think WMU would be a good fit in the new WCHA.

It will be interesting to see if they keep the Final Five tourney in St. Paul or if they consider Chicago or Green Bay.

 

[bronconick]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

You would think that Notre Dame would like to firm things up so they could clearly communicate with recruits and work on non-conference opponents.

It's two full seasons away. Most football conference shifts in recent years have been accomplished in one season, so they feel they can continue to investigate for 6-8 more months without any sense of urgency.

 

[moose97]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

You mean like clips from GF Herald, as posted below?

Is that what you meant?

Just curious . . . .



Grand Forks Herald --- (BSU Coach Serratore said) “We respect their program (UND) so much,” said Serratore, who is entering his 10th season as head coach of the Beavers. “They came and played us at the John Glas Fieldhouse when we were emerging as a D-I program. I look at those guys as great ambassadors to the game.

“They were the only team we really wanted to open up with. I’m glad that they can share this event with us.”

There’s no doubt that UND had a role in helping the Bemidji State program to this day. It was former Sioux coach Bob Peters who led the Beavers through NAIA, NCAA Division III and NCAA Division II levels before hitting the big time. He will drop a ceremonial first puck tonight.

In 2001, UND became the first national powerhouse to travel to Bemidji to play in a two-game, Division I series. The Sioux made subsequent trips to Bemidji in 2005, 2007 and 2008.
UND also lobbied in support of Bemidji State’s acceptance into the WCHA when it appeared the Beavers had no other conference options.

“They took care of us,” Serratore said.

So, when the WCHA released the 2010-11 schedule, Serratore publicly thanked the league for accommodating Bemidji State’s request.

Uh, Tom Serratore wasn't in any WCHA meetings (outside the initial "presentation" BSU did to the league. He's the coach. AD Rick Goeb and FAR Doug Leif want to those meetings. Talk to either of them (or the same for any other WCHA school) lately? Do you really think Jim Roque goes to all the CCHA meetings? No, he's busy coaching and recruiting.

edit - and reading their quotes in the paper is no where near the same thing as gaining their trust and talking to them in informal conversation. As an example, I talked to Doug Leif a couple weeks ago, and he told me that the merger was the way it was gonna go. Bet you didn't read that in the paper, now did ya?

 

[SCSU Euro]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

I think WMU would be a good fit in the new WCHA.

It will be interesting to see if they keep the Final Five tourney in St. Paul or if they consider Chicago or Green Bay.

Was thinking about this... there was talking of keeping the WCHA tourney at the X, and I think making this an Eastern Time Zone league all of the sudden (It should be the Northern Collegiate Hockey Association... that or Frozen) would kill that idea. The only thing I can hope is that the WCHA said, "Look... you guys wanna come on board with us, then we pick the arena, no questions asked" and chooses the X. Obviously the 3 MN schools would want it, and I don't see the Alaska schools objecting.

Of course, we are gonna have to convince some people that it could work... and then we need to fill it so it actually DOES work. A real uphill battle I don't see us winning.

 

[Lakerblue]

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Uh, Tom Serratore wasn't in any WCHA meetings (outside the initial "presentation" BSU did to the league. He's the coach. AD Rick Goeb and FAR Doug Leif want to those meetings. Talk to either of them (or the same for any other WCHA school) lately? Do you really think Jim Roque goes to all the CCHA meetings? No, he's busy coaching and recruiting.

edit - and reading their quotes in the paper is no where near the same thing as gaining their trust and talking to them in informal conversation. As an example, I talked to Doug Leif a couple weeks ago, and he told me that the merger was the way it was gonna go. Bet you didn't read that in the paper, now did ya?

I know you are Mr. Insider Media Man. Nice. We all know. Is it true BSU wanted UND to open their new rink? Is it true that BSU wanted UND because of the long commitment by UND to play BSU? Is it true that BSU was pleased UND was scheduled to open the new rink? I'm sorry, what part of that requires super-secret insider information? What part of the GF Herald article was false, or misleading? Not sure where you're going with this chain of comments. Not sure why reading comments from the coaches, made to the media, is somehow disqualifying comment. Very odd.

As an example, I talked to Doug Leif a couple weeks ago, and he told me that the merger was the way it was gonna go. Bet you didn't read that in the paper, now did ya?

That and two bucks will get you a cup of coffee . . . . strong work, Hearst. And why the rather snippy tone? Again, very odd behavior, and not really warranted. Unless, of course, you just don't like the fact that the Sioux were invited over some other team. Is this personal to you? You know, the first rule of a good journalist is to remove your personal bias in topic which you cover and upon which you report. Somebody might question your ethics. (Not me, I have no room to talk). Lets play nice, OK?

 

[moose97]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

I know you are Mr. Insider Media Man. Nice. We all know. Is it true BSU wanted UND to open their new rink? Is it true that BSU wanted UND because of the long commitment by UND to play BSU? Is it true that BSU was pleased UND was scheduled to open the new rink? I'm sorry, what part of that requires super-secret insider information? What part of the GF Herald article was false, or misleading? Not sure where you're going with this chain of comments. Not sure why reading comments from the coaches, made to the media, is somehow disqualifying comment. Very odd.

I never said that the Herald article was false or misleading, however, you jumped to the conclusion from that article, to the following:

I do know, from my distant perch overlooking Whitefish Bay, that UND and Dave Hakstol, and UMD and Scott Sandelin, were the driving forces in getting BSU into the WCHA . . .

Which is not true at all. That is what I took umbrage with. You assumed that since BSU wanted UND as their opening game, they must have been driving the "BSU to the WCHA" ship, when it was Joel Maturi.

And why the rather snippy tone? Again, very odd behavior, and not really warranted. Unless, of course, you just don't like the fact that the Sioux were invited over some other team. Is this personal to you? You know, the first rule of a good journalist is to remove your personal bias in topic which you cover and upon which you report. Somebody might question your ethics. (Not me, I have no room to talk).

Snippy because despite you acknowledging that I may have some sort of inside information, you still dispute what I'm saying. No bias, just most folks get defensive when they are told they are wrong...

Lets play nice, OK?

Fine by me. I was hoping to get to the BSU/LSSU series in November, but won't be able to. I'll have to hope to make the trip when the teams are conference-mates.

 

[First Time Long Time]

I know you are Mr. Insider Media Man. Nice. We all know. Is it true BSU wanted UND to open their new rink? Is it true that BSU wanted UND because of the long commitment by UND to play BSU? Is it true that BSU was pleased UND was scheduled to open the new rink? I'm sorry, what part of that requires super-secret insider information? What part of the GF Herald article was false, or misleading? Not sure where you're going with this chain of comments. Not sure why reading comments from the coaches, made to the media, is somehow disqualifying comment. Very odd.

As an example, I talked to Doug Leif a couple weeks ago, and he told me that the merger was the way it was gonna go. Bet you didn't read that in the paper, now did ya?

That and two bucks will get you a cup of coffee . . . . strong work, Hearst. And why the rather snippy tone? Again, very odd behavior, and not really warranted. Unless, of course, you just don't like the fact that the Sioux were invited over some other team. Is this personal to you? You know, the first rule of a good journalist is to remove your personal bias in topic which you cover and upon which you report. Somebody might question your ethics. (Not me, I have no room to talk). Lets play nice, OK?

Are you going for a****** of the year?

 

[Lakerblue]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

I never said that the Herald article was false or misleading, however, you jumped to the conclusion from that article, to the following:



Which is not true at all. That is what I took umbrage with. You assumed that since BSU wanted UND as their opening game, they must have been driving the "BSU to the WCHA" ship, when it was Joel Maturi.



Snippy because despite you acknowledging that I may have some sort of inside information, you still dispute what I'm saying. No bias, just most folks get defensive when they are told they are wrong...



Fine by me. I was hoping to get to the BSU/LSSU series in November, but won't be able to. I'll have to hope to make the trip when the teams are conference-mates.

Ah, I see your point now. My bad. I see the whole Coach-comment, which was probably overstating things.

I still stand by the belief that UND and UMD did more to support BSU than any other school. Its a belief, not a fact.

 

[MikeAnderson]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

Not sure how this closes the door on UAH. 1) Not all teams have accepted and 2) even if they did, there would still be a 12th spot open, and 3) Moorhead hasn't declared they are moving up.

Because if they were going to be extended an invitation, it would have been included in this group.

Not that it matters. Brophy's on orders to sit on his hands. Portera's just waiting on the paperwork to justify axing the program.

 

[goldy_331]

Re: CCHA teams will join WCHA

Are you going for a****** of the year?

Boy, that'd be a tough race for even him to win!