CCHA and WCHA should combine when BIg Ten forms???

[yooper(UP) hockey]

Re: CCHA and WCHA should combine when BIg Ten forms???

You claim to be a Yooper, yet make no sense when it comes to travel distances...

Houghton to:

NMU - 2 hours
LSSU - 5 hours
FSU - 8.5 hours
WMU - 10 hours
Notre Dame - 10 hours
BGSU - 10.5 hours
Miami - 12.5 hours

Or:

UMD - 4 hours
SCSU - 7 hours
BSU - 7 hours
MSUM - 8 hours
NoDak - 8.5 hours
UNO - 12.5 hours
And one flight a year to Colorado and a pre-paid flight to UAA

Hmm, sure, one close trip to NMU, but overall, the WCHA is a lot closer to Houghton than the CCHA...

My point is MTU should be playing NMU, LSSU and FSU like they do in all there other sports in the GLIAC.

MTU doesnt have any rivals with the Minnesota teams Bemdji, St Cloud, and Mankato.

 

[yooper(UP) hockey]

Re: CCHA and WCHA should combine when BIg Ten forms???

AND, why would Tech leave the WCHA where they get a six figure check every year which helps more than make up for travel? The CCHA doesn't have that same financial cushion hence why travel is more insular.

I am not saying for MTU to leave the WCHA. The CCHA go to the WCHA for six figure checks and help the CCHA survive.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: CCHA and WCHA should combine when BIg Ten forms???

How can this topic still be getting serious discussion? This is simply a terrible idea, and everyone should be able to see it.

yooper hockey, you're wrong, you're the only one that doesn't realize it

 

[yooper(UP) hockey]

Re: CCHA and WCHA should combine when BIg Ten forms???

How can this topic still be getting serious discussion? This is simply a terrible idea, and everyone should be able to see it.

yooper hockey, you're wrong, you're the only one that doesn't realize it

You dont like both sides of the story. You only want to hear what you want.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: CCHA and WCHA should combine when BIg Ten forms???

You dont like both sides of the story. You only want to hear what you want.

No, I have seen both sides of the story, one side is simply too asinine to take seriously. If you'd like, I'll address each of your poorly thought out takes individually.

My point is MTU plays LSSU, NMU, FSSU in other GLIAC sports.

Why cant they play them in hockey? Tech doesnt have any rival with St Cloud, Mankato, Bemdji, UNO and Ankorage.

GLIAC is a Division 2, non-hockey league, not a Division 1 hockey league. Tech hockey shouldn't strive to build rivalries with those schools. Also, the reason Tech hasn't built rivalries with the WCHA schools is because Tech doesn't win, if Tech could actually play some of the other WCHA teams even for a couple years in some hard fought series, there would be rivalries! Rivalries don't happen when one of the teams get repeatedly taken to woodshed.

MTU could have full houses at least three other weekends if they scheduled NMU, LSSU and FSU at home three weekends. As long they schedule the Mankatos, Bemdjis, and UNOs they will play in front of empty seats.

Tech can't even sell out for NMU or Carnival anymore, what makes you think people would give a flying **** if Ferris State is there?

The landscape of college hockey has to change. College football has already started the shifting of teams this past season. It is a waste that tech hasnt played the other UP teams at least 4 times a season. Instead they schedule St Lawrence.

Great idea, make the schedules more insular. It is generally accepted that one big problem with college hockey now is that the schedules are too insular, without enough games scheduled between teams from different areas of the country.

My point is MTU should be playing NMU, LSSU and FSU like they do in all there other sports in the GLIAC.

MTU doesnt have any rivals with the Minnesota teams Bemdji, St Cloud, and Mankato.

See above.

I am not saying for MTU to leave the WCHA. The CCHA go to the WCHA for six figure checks and help the CCHA survive.

Terrible idea. Why would the WCHA want to do that? The only thing it would do is put more schools in jeopardy, and eliminate an auto-bid. It makes no sense to do this.

 

[yooper(UP) hockey]

Re: CCHA and WCHA should combine when BIg Ten forms???

No, I have seen both sides of the story, one side is simply too asinine to take seriously. If you'd like, I'll address each of your poorly thought out takes individually.

GLIAC is a Division 2, non-hockey league, not a Division 1 hockey league. Tech hockey shouldn't strive to build rivalries with those schools. Also, the reason Tech hasn't built rivalries with the WCHA schools is because Tech doesn't win, if Tech could actually play some of the other WCHA teams even for a couple years in some hard fought series, there would be rivalries! Rivalries don't happen when one of the teams get repeatedly taken to woodshed.

Tech can't even sell out for NMU or Carnival anymore, what makes you think people would give a flying **** if Ferris State is there?

Great idea, make the schedules more insular. It is generally accepted that one big problem with college hockey now is that the schedules are too insular, without enough games scheduled between teams from different areas of the country.

See above.

Terrible idea. Why would the WCHA want to do that? The only thing it would do is put more schools in jeopardy, and eliminate an auto-bid. It makes no sense to do this.

By the way good job. THis means UP teams are at risk in the future with the big 10 forming. No wins, fans, and rivals.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: CCHA and WCHA should combine when BIg Ten forms???

By the way good job. THis means UP teams are at risk in the future with the big 10 forming. No wins, fans, and rivals.

No **** the UP schools are at risk. They're at risk whether or not the 2 conferences combine.

 

[Dirty]

Re: CCHA and WCHA should combine when BIg Ten forms???

Terrible idea. Why would the WCHA want to do that? The only thing it would do is put more schools in jeopardy, and eliminate an auto-bid. It makes no sense to do this.

Wrong. It would also cause all the WCHA schools to lose the oodles of cash they get from the current tournament.

So yeah, it's a great idea. Nothing is better than losing out on all the money you previously made just so you can paste some crappy teams from Michigan.

 

[davyd83]

Re: CCHA and WCHA should combine when BIg Ten forms???

Then why is Air Force in a confrence with all Eastern schools? Isnt Air Force located in Colorado? If Air Force worried about playing close teams they would be in the WCHA.

Isnt UAF in the CCHA? If they cared about being close to teams they would also be in the WCHA.

Isnt tech in the WCHA? Wouldnt trips in the CCHA make more sense to Marquette, Soo, Big Rapids, and Kalmazoo. Instead of Omaha, Denver, Colorado Springs, Grand Forks, and Bemdji.

Look at the confrence jumping in college football this past season. Alot of the college football teams were looking for greener pastures and better teams to play.

Teams are going to go a better confrence to face better opponents they dont want to play bottom of the barrel. College football last season is evidence of this happening.

Fairbanks in the WCHA? There is a reason they are not. The WCHA didn't want both Alaska schools. Air Force not in the WCHA? The WCHA schools didn't was another flight to Colorado. And to even compare college hockey to college football shows just how much you know. Notre Dame may well be able to afford flights to Hockey East, but the Hockey East schools may feel otherwise about flying to South Bend. Miami to the WCHA or Hockey East. Lotsa flights. Do either one of those leagues want to have to fly to Cincinnati and bus to Oxford from there? Are the budgets from UMD and Bemidji, Vermont and Merrimack set up for that? Can Miami afford all those extra flights? Adding that extra $80-100,000 to you budget is a lot when you draw 3,000 a night like Miami does and you don't have a football team filling an 80-100,000 seat stadium and a basketball team selling 10-15,000 seats a night to help fund your athletic department. Sure Notre Dame may be able to absorb those expenses, but unless a majority of the other teams in the proposed conference wish to add significant costs, it's not going to happen. Think about schools like UMD or Tech...Ok we have an extra flight to play Miami this year, where do we get that extra $17,000? Do we take it from the recruiting budget? Equipment? Decrease other travel expenses by staying at Motel 6 and having the pregame meals at McDonalds? Money doesn't just grow on trees?

 

[yooper(UP) hockey]

Re: CCHA and WCHA should combine when BIg Ten forms???

Wrong. It would also cause all the WCHA schools to lose the oodles of cash they get from the current tournament.

So yeah, it's a great idea. Nothing is better than losing out on all the money you previously made just so you can paste some crappy teams from Michigan.

Let the CCHA be lame duck league with no commish. Maybe some teams will fold, who cares we dont need them teams in a couple of years anyway. We need more Wayne States and Findleys.

 

[davyd83]

Re: CCHA and WCHA should combine when BIg Ten forms???

By the way good job. THis means UP teams are at risk in the future with the big 10 forming. No wins, fans, and rivals.

The UP teams are at risk? And just where have you come upon this information. Lake State just began a $5 million dollar renovation at the Norris Center/ Taffy Abel Arena, knowing fully that the Big 10 was a distinct probability. Yep, sounds like they are in trouble.

 

[yooper(UP) hockey]

Re: CCHA and WCHA should combine when BIg Ten forms???

Fairbanks in the WCHA? There is a reason they are not. The WCHA didn't want both Alaska schools. Air Force not in the WCHA? The WCHA schools didn't was another flight to Colorado. And to even compare college hockey to college football shows just how much you know. Notre Dame may well be able to afford flights to Hockey East, but the Hockey East schools may feel otherwise about flying to South Bend. Miami to the WCHA or Hockey East. Lotsa flights. Do either one of those leagues want to have to fly to Cincinnati and bus to Oxford from there? Are the budgets from UMD and Bemidji, Vermont and Merrimack set up for that? Can Miami afford all those extra flights? Adding that extra $80-100,000 to you budget is a lot when you draw 3,000 a night like Miami does and you don't have a football team filling an 80-100,000 seat stadium and a basketball team selling 10-15,000 seats a night to help fund your athletic department. Sure Notre Dame may be able to absorb those expenses, but unless a majority of the other teams in the proposed conference wish to add significant costs, it's not going to happen. Think about schools like UMD or Tech...Ok we have an extra flight to play Miami this year, where do we get that extra $17,000? Do we take it from the recruiting budget? Equipment? Decrease other travel expenses by staying at Motel 6 and having the pregame meals at McDonalds? Money doesn't just grow on trees?

Woudnt it be nice to fly to Colorado and have three teams to play. In the old days Tech would fly to Colorado to play both CC and Denver on one trip.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: CCHA and WCHA should combine when BIg Ten forms???

Wrong. It would also cause all the WCHA schools to lose the oodles of cash they get from the current tournament.

So yeah, it's a great idea. Nothing is better than losing out on all the money you previously made just so you can paste some crappy teams from Michigan.

Ahh, yes. Thank you, Dirty. That was an oversight on my part.

And really, if they combine, there is no way, absolutely NO WAY that UND, DU, CC, Notre Dame and Miami would put up with it. That would definitely cause them to splinter from the group and leave the small schools in a worse situation than they are now.

Now can we stop discussing an idea that is this bad? Lets at least discuss an idea that has more upside than this one, like, say, distributing cocaine to every 16 year old on their birthdays.

 

[yooper(UP) hockey]

Re: CCHA and WCHA should combine when BIg Ten forms???

The UP teams are at risk? And just where have you come upon this information. Lake State just began a $5 million dollar renovation at the Norris Center/ Taffy Abel Arena, knowing fully that the Big 10 was a distinct probability. Yep, sounds like they are in trouble.

In front of small crowds and not many wins.

 

[davyd83]

Re: CCHA and WCHA should combine when BIg Ten forms???

Woudnt it be nice to fly to Colorado and have three teams to play. In the old days Tech would fly to Colorado to play both CC and Denver on one trip.

So you propose flying to Colorado, and playing DU, CC and AF once each? Now you create a scheduling nightmare. Brilliant.

 

[davyd83]

Re: CCHA and WCHA should combine when BIg Ten forms???

In front of small crowds and not many wins.

So they are in trouble, yet committed $5 million to their facility. Why would they do that if they didn't think they'd be around?

 

[yooper(UP) hockey]

Re: CCHA and WCHA should combine when BIg Ten forms???

So you propose flying to Colorado, and playing DU, CC and AF once each? Now you create a scheduling nightmare. Brilliant.

No, I said Tech would fly to Denver in the old days and would play both CC and Denver. I didnt propose flying to Denver to play three teams.

 

[yooper(UP) hockey]

Re: CCHA and WCHA should combine when BIg Ten forms???

So they are in trouble, yet committed $5 million to their facility. Why would they do that if they didn't think they'd be around?

Ask the alumni?

 

[yooper(UP) hockey]

Re: CCHA and WCHA should combine when BIg Ten forms???

Wrong. It would also cause all the WCHA schools to lose the oodles of cash they get from the current tournament.

So yeah, it's a great idea. Nothing is better than losing out on all the money you previously made just so you can paste some crappy teams from Michigan.

Make the tournment bigger and let more teams in.

 

[bigblue_dl]

Re: CCHA and WCHA should combine when BIg Ten forms???

Make the tournment bigger and let more teams in.

Won't happen. It is much more likely that they move it back to 12 teams. Though, I'd be suprised if it were anything but 16 in the near future.