Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.

Now that would be fascinating.

And the resulting Freeper fireworks show would be hilarious. The Trumpbots vs. the Cruzbots has already been highly entertaining.

Great blog for daily highlights from that freak show.

 

[Rover]

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Trump in the general election would expose a potential dark side of the American public, which is how far does blatantly scapegoating people still get you nowadays in an age of economic uncertainty. Would Trump come off of banning Muslims outright? Of course, as its an illegal in practice idea. Would he come out and say no visits from people from these countries (Syria, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc) which probably is legal? Yup. Would he actually try to deport all illegal immigrants, or better yet issue an order that local law enforcement can round them up for deportation? Yup. The question becomes does that appeal to a majority of the electorate who get to vote in secret. I'd like to think not, but I don't know...

 

[Kepler]

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Great blog for daily highlights from that freak show.

That is a great blog, and it has one of the great quotes:

"Words had to change their ordinary meaning and to take that which was now given them. Reckless audacity came to be considered the courage of a loyal ally; prudent hesitation, specious cowardice; moderation was held to be a cloak for unmanliness; ability to see all sides of a question, inaptness to act on any. Frantic violence became the attribute of manliness" -Thucydides

There has never been a more lucid description of war fever. That was exactly what this country was like between 9/11 and 2006.

 

[Kepler]

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Trump in the general election would expose a potential dark side of the American public, which is how far does blatantly scapegoating people still get you nowadays in an age of economic uncertainty. Would Trump come off of banning Muslims outright? Of course, as its an illegal in practice idea. Would he come out and say no visits from people from these countries (Syria, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc) which probably is legal? Yup. Would he actually try to deport all illegal immigrants, or better yet issue an order that local law enforcement can round them up for deportation? Yup. The question becomes does that appeal to a majority of the electorate who get to vote in secret. I'd like to think not, but I don't know...

It will test Sinclair Lewis' adage, since Trump comes wrapped in a flag and carrying a ton of really expensive kitch.

 

[Rover]

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Calgary Ted had a good point/warning which was if Trump wins Iowa to go along with his lead in NH he might be impossible to stop. I think there's some truth to that. Cruz will do well in the SEC primary but after that all the Establishment stiffs will be out, and places like New York and New Jersey and even California seem far more Trumpish than Cruz can compete with.

 

[Kepler]

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Read a good line in an RCP story:

One recent, well-respected poll had Trump’s net negative at -23.

In the South!

To borrow from the Donald’s own vernacular, he will get his *** kicked, like no one’s *** has been kicked in a long, long while.

I don't think a Goldwater-McGovern style landslide is possible in these parlous times, and that inter-party hatred is so extreme that a ham sandwich would start with 45% of the popular vote. But Trump would test that thesis.

 

[Kepler]

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This is the most (only?) intelligent analysis I've read about Sanders and Clinton. It's written from a pro-Clinton perspective, but it lays it all out with clear and thorough language.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Donald Trump is teflon.

http://www.people.com/article/donald-trump-retweet-megyn-kelly-bimbo-gq-photoshoot

 

[walrus]

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Donald Trump is teflon.

http://www.people.com/article/donald-trump-retweet-megyn-kelly-bimbo-gq-photoshoot

Kepler
Whats the link to these pics

 

[busterman62]

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Kepler
Whats the link to these pics

No link. Private stash

 

[Rover]

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This is the most (only?) intelligent analysis I've read about Sanders and Clinton. It's written from a pro-Clinton perspective, but it lays it all out with clear and thorough language.

Like the article but it has a couple of flaws:

1) there is very little hope of the GOP holding the Senate if a Dem is elected President. There's also a good chance of a SCOTUS takeover. This is important because...

2) Clinton is more of an incrementalist (as am I) than I revolutionary. An incrementalist can get things done in a divided govt provided they hold a few of the levers. The Senate and the courts for example. By holding the Senate you have your own dog in the budget fights and your nominees get approved. Do that and you can achieve change, not in one big bang but over time and under the radar.

Now if you are of the belief that the GOP will hold the House, Senate and courts until The End of Days, then by all means vote Sanders because the only option available to you is a political revolution. I saw a comment in kos about how Bernie will deal with Congressional obstructionism the same way he dealt with the city council in Burlington, but completely usurping it. I don't know what that means, and the commentator didn't say, but it sounds good especially when you consider the dimwits running Congress right now.

Obama started with a Big Bang Presidency. Incompetence in Senate leadership caused them to waste precious time, however he did manage to get some huge things done quickly. Whether that happens again or not is entirely based on controlling all branches of govt. If that's not in the cards, you're better off with an incremental approach IMHO.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Like the article but it has a couple of flaws:

1) there is very little hope of the GOP holding the Senate if a Dem is elected President. There's also a good chance of a SCOTUS takeover. This is important because...

2) Clinton is more of an incrementalist (as am I) than I revolutionary. An incrementalist can get things done in a divided govt provided they hold a few of the levers. The Senate and the courts for example. By holding the Senate you have your own dog in the budget fights and your nominees get approved. Do that and you can achieve change, not in one big bang but over time and under the radar.

Now if you are of the belief that the GOP will hold the House, Senate and courts until The End of Days, then by all means vote Sanders because the only option available to you is a political revolution. I saw a comment in kos about how Bernie will deal with Congressional obstructionism the same way he dealt with the city council in Burlington, but completely usurping it. I don't know what that means, and the commentator didn't say, but it sounds good especially when you consider the dimwits running Congress right now.

Obama started with a Big Bang Presidency. Incompetence in Senate leadership caused them to waste precious time, however he did manage to get some huge things done quickly. Whether that happens again or not is entirely based on controlling all branches of govt. If that's not in the cards, you're better off with an incremental approach IMHO.

I'll take political revolution please. Drastic change is what the country needs.

 

[Kepler]

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Kepler
Whats the link to these pics

Those pics are awful. Megyn, like 97% of American women, does cute better than ****. We just aren't a very **** people. That's what Italians and Brazilians are for.

Edit: you can't type s e x y? My lord, that's lame.

 

[Rover]

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I'll take political revolution please. Drastic change is what the country needs.

Its not like ordering a happy meal. As has been said before particularly in Kep's article, he'd better hope this army of progressives who thus far haven't been voting decides actually exists. If they don't he's looking at a Carter-Ford type Presidency.

 

[Kepler]

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Its not like ordering a happy meal. As has been said before particularly in Kep's article, he'd better hope this army of progressives who thus far haven't been voting decides actually exists. If they don't he's looking at a Carter-Ford type Presidency.

That's actually funny because both Carter and Ford were incrementalists.

Like I said, I think the article is excellent, and a well-written political article is almost as rare as a well-written sports article. I completely understand what Klein is saying and I see much wisdom behind his choice. I am choosing the other way, but again, for almost exactly the reasoning that Klein describes.

And in any case it makes me less bummed in the event Lady Tremaine pulls it off.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Its not like ordering a happy meal. As has been said before particularly in Kep's article, he'd better hope this army of progressives who thus far haven't been voting decides actually exists. If they don't he's looking at a Carter-Ford type Presidency.

I don't really give two *s if it's Bernie or not, I want the political revolution. Thanks for the *ing pandering with the happy meal comment too. We've been trying incremental change and playing nice for years and it hasn't gotten much better for those of us working class. It's time to grab the weapons and armor and go to *ing war. Socialized health care, steep tax increases on the rich, massive increases to education funding, restoration of union rights, it's time to quit *ing around and do it. Let's fight back.

 

[Handyman]

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Read a good line in an RCP story:



I don't think a Goldwater-McGovern style landslide is possible in these parlous times, and that inter-party hatred is so extreme that a ham sandwich would start with 45% of the popular vote. But Trump would test that thesis.

Trump throws that out the window because he is not a "Real Republican". Many in the coalition would not just vote for him cause he won the nomination...especially down south where he will be seen as one "dem elite Northerners from New York!!". The question is will be that be offset by people who vote for him cause "Oh geez he had dat show on der TV!1!!" which is possible but not likely

 

[Handyman]

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Its not like ordering a happy meal. As has been said before particularly in Kep's article, he'd better hope this army of progressives who thus far haven't been voting decides actually exists. If they don't he's looking at a Carter-Ford type Presidency.

You mean like the progressives that voted for Obama...when Progressives have someone they support they come out in droves. Especially the youth...and even you have to admit the youth of America is not exactly Hillary backers.

 

[5mn_Major]

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I'll take political revolution please. Drastic change is what the country needs.

The problem is there's almost no chance of a political revolution. As a result, there is just political partisanship and gridlock and nothing gets done.

That's actually funny because both Carter and Ford were incrementalists.

True. But in the last 50+ years every president has been an incrementalist (with the probable exception of W). Political revolutionaries are typically unelectable.

 

[Kepler]

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I'll take political revolution please. Drastic change is what the country needs.

What we need is for change to be possible again. We've gotten to where governing is put on hold by a handful of extremist eejits. The Freedom Caucus morons are doing it now but there's no reason why the shoe can't be on the other foot next Congress.

Minority interests have too much power to freeze the government. Ironically, this allows the majority to evade accountability, since they can blame everything on the minority.

Ban the bribes, kill the filibuster, end holds and blue slips. If the government still can't function, move on to drastic change. But right now we just need to fix the process and then the policies will conform to public will.