ScoobyDoo
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Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
Too many people think it doesn't make a difference. Time for them to learn.
Too many people think it doesn't make a difference. Time for them to learn.
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Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
I think you can be in the plutocracy but not of it. FDR and Robert Kennedy are good examples; TR was a pretty good one as well. Not to mention Warren Buffet. David Lloyd George was rich.
There are super rich people who recognize that inequality is an acid that eats away at democracy.
But I will grant you that Hillary and DWS and Diane Feinstein aren't those sort of people, and as long as they set the tone for the national party the Democrats are about as far from socialism as William Graham Sumner.
I think you can be in the plutocracy but not of it. FDR and Robert Kennedy are good examples; TR was a pretty good one as well. Not to mention Warren Buffet. David Lloyd George was rich.
There are super rich people who recognize that inequality is an acid that eats away at democracy.
But I will grant you that Hillary and DWS and Diane Feinstein aren't those sort of people, and as long as they set the tone for the national party the Democrats are about as far from socialism as William Graham Sumner.
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
Trump's rhetoric is so sickening that there's no way I'll risk finding out if this is true by voting for him; BUT, I'm about 85% sure that there would be no substantive difference in governance between Trump and Hillary. At heart they're about as different as Bruce and Caitlyn. I think it's all an act. He's just using his weirdly aggressive NYC persona to gain frothing loyalty from the 15% of the electorate that thinks Vladimir Putin is SO AWESOME (while alienating everyone else).
I think they would take the same actions in office, only finding different excuses to explain to their bases why they were thwarted from doing "the right thing." This is not a contest for the heart and soul of the nation, but a vote on the popularity of two marginally differing personality disorders.
Trump's rhetoric is so sickening that there's no way I'll risk finding out if this is true by voting for him; BUT, I'm about 85% sure that there would be no substantive difference in governance between Trump and Hillary. At heart they're about as different as Bruce and Caitlyn. I think it's all an act. He's just using his weirdly aggressive NYC persona to gain frothing loyalty from the 15% of the electorate that thinks Vladimir Putin is SO AWESOME (while alienating everyone else).
I think they would take the same actions in office, only finding different excuses to explain to their bases why they were thwarted from doing "the right thing." This is not a contest for the heart and soul of the nation, but a vote on the popularity of two marginally differing personality disorders.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
I don't agree, however that is a great line.
You know the old saying: the desire to be president demonstrates one's lack of fitness for the job.
I don't agree, however that is a great line.
You know the old saying: the desire to be president demonstrates one's lack of fitness for the job.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
Pataki announces suspension of his campaign, disappointing his three followers and presumably thrilling his dog.
Pataki announces suspension of his campaign, disappointing his three followers and presumably thrilling his dog.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...al-candidates-the-first-quit?cid=sm_fb_maddow
Great chart there. If you're experienced or been/are a Governor you're probably not GOP material.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...al-candidates-the-first-quit?cid=sm_fb_maddow
Great chart there. If you're experienced or been/are a Governor you're probably not GOP material.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
It's a good chart but Military skews the data a little.
It's a good chart but Military skews the data a little.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
The Pluts only care about keep us peons fighting. You should know that by now
The Pluts only care about keep us peons fighting. You should know that by now
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
Scoobs is right. Slap Shot & Handy = Naderlosers.
So I'll say again, nothing is more pathetic than the laughable person who backs a sure loser and then claims its on principle when in reality they just don't like sticking their noses out and taking sides when the outcome isn't pre-ordained. I have no idea who will be elected President next year, but at least I can tell you who I'm rooting for and will take the heat (or dish it out
) depending on the outcome. Sanders/Nader/etc voters all get to say their guy lost not because of crackpot ideas or a lack of trust, its because THEY SPOKE THE TRUTH AND NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR IT!!!! 
Beyond that though, while I like Sanders, you have to understand what he's proposing is a Band-Aid to the problem. Essentially it boils down to wealth redistribution. He will increase taxes on the rich & corporations to pay for expanded Social Security and free college tuition and cannabis. Aside from the free pot for all, I agree with his proposals while pointing out he should have been more specific as to how exactly he plans on paying for them by now (soak the rich is fine, but what specific taxes & loopholes does he go after and how much $$$ does it raise?). I will now duck that lightening bolt sent at me for criticizing St. Bernie.
Unfortunately Sanders has been in Congress for like 30 years and he doesn't seem good at persuading his fellow Congresscritters to adopt his proposals.
So while wealth distribution is needed, its not going to solve the problem of income inequality. Income inequality is happening because the non-college educated population no longer has good manufacturing jobs with benefits, and are now forced to work low paying retail jobs. I want a President who will not only defend US manufacturing but will seek to expand it. Yes, opposing bad free trade pacts is a good start, but I want to see something more along the lines of Obama supporting the car industry. This is going to require a lot of cooperating between govt and business. I just don't see Sanders having the ability to do that because he's an absolutist. I see Clinton based on the experience of her husband's Presidency being far more likely to make progress on this front. No offense to Bernie, but he's thus far a one issue candidate and on that issue he's correct up to a point but I don't think he's getting to the heart of the problem.
Scoobs is right. Slap Shot & Handy = Naderlosers.
So I'll say again, nothing is more pathetic than the laughable person who backs a sure loser and then claims its on principle when in reality they just don't like sticking their noses out and taking sides when the outcome isn't pre-ordained. I have no idea who will be elected President next year, but at least I can tell you who I'm rooting for and will take the heat (or dish it out
) depending on the outcome. Sanders/Nader/etc voters all get to say their guy lost not because of crackpot ideas or a lack of trust, its because THEY SPOKE THE TRUTH AND NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR IT!!!! Beyond that though, while I like Sanders, you have to understand what he's proposing is a Band-Aid to the problem. Essentially it boils down to wealth redistribution. He will increase taxes on the rich & corporations to pay for expanded Social Security and free college tuition and cannabis. Aside from the free pot for all, I agree with his proposals while pointing out he should have been more specific as to how exactly he plans on paying for them by now (soak the rich is fine, but what specific taxes & loopholes does he go after and how much $$$ does it raise?). I will now duck that lightening bolt sent at me for criticizing St. Bernie.
Unfortunately Sanders has been in Congress for like 30 years and he doesn't seem good at persuading his fellow Congresscritters to adopt his proposals. So while wealth distribution is needed, its not going to solve the problem of income inequality. Income inequality is happening because the non-college educated population no longer has good manufacturing jobs with benefits, and are now forced to work low paying retail jobs. I want a President who will not only defend US manufacturing but will seek to expand it. Yes, opposing bad free trade pacts is a good start, but I want to see something more along the lines of Obama supporting the car industry. This is going to require a lot of cooperating between govt and business. I just don't see Sanders having the ability to do that because he's an absolutist. I see Clinton based on the experience of her husband's Presidency being far more likely to make progress on this front. No offense to Bernie, but he's thus far a one issue candidate and on that issue he's correct up to a point but I don't think he's getting to the heart of the problem.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
Oh, I do. The national razor should take care of that.
The Pluts only care about keep us peons fighting. You should know that by now
Oh, I do. The national razor should take care of that.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
busterman62
I got a pocket full of kryptonite
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
This should replace the Wikipedia article for "Political parties in the United States"
This should replace the Wikipedia article for "Political parties in the United States"
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
You mispelled "Earth."
Personally, I could not care less whether pols are lying or not -- I don't pay any attention to what they say. What they do is what matters, and although it is hardly what I would wish for, the Democrats have been light years better than the Republicans in their deeds for decades.
This is not a case of BSABSVR. There are big differences.
You mispelled "Earth."
Personally, I could not care less whether pols are lying or not -- I don't pay any attention to what they say. What they do is what matters, and although it is hardly what I would wish for, the Democrats have been light years better than the Republicans in their deeds for decades.
This is not a case of BSABSVR. There are big differences.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
Jebbers seeing the writing on the wall in Iowa, shifting focus to NH
Jebbers seeing the writing on the wall in Iowa, shifting focus to NH
From yesterday's WaPo.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...w-in-danger-of-becoming-extinct-in-the-south/
I'd dispute Maryland as the legislature is veto proof Democratic with a Republican governor.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
The rich do like being rich. But that's not a partisan belief. Believe me, rich Democrats like to keep their money just as much as rich Republicans.
So what is worse, rich Republicans who acknowledge they are rich, tell you they want to cut their taxes and do cut their own taxes? Or, the rich Democrats who tell those they are pandering to that they'll look out for them, but once elected act no differently than their Republican counterparts, serving at a minimum as facilitators for the Republican actions they publicly decry but privately enjoy? Letting the Republicans do your dirty work for you has paid off handsomely for you Democrats.
It's not the Republican party waving the magic wand as they lift your wallet. The Republicans campaign that they're going to cut taxes for the rich. The Democrats pat you on the back and tell you they're your friend, as they are filling their back pockets with public largesse.
No doubt the article mirrors much of what you've posted. But here is where the author's Democrat-tinted glasses cause him to miss the point.
The rich do like being rich. But that's not a partisan belief. Believe me, rich Democrats like to keep their money just as much as rich Republicans.
So what is worse, rich Republicans who acknowledge they are rich, tell you they want to cut their taxes and do cut their own taxes? Or, the rich Democrats who tell those they are pandering to that they'll look out for them, but once elected act no differently than their Republican counterparts, serving at a minimum as facilitators for the Republican actions they publicly decry but privately enjoy? Letting the Republicans do your dirty work for you has paid off handsomely for you Democrats.
It's not the Republican party waving the magic wand as they lift your wallet. The Republicans campaign that they're going to cut taxes for the rich. The Democrats pat you on the back and tell you they're your friend, as they are filling their back pockets with public largesse.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Campaign 2016 - Snow White and the 7 dwarfs.
Maryland aint the south. At this point we're Pennsylvania with better hygiene. (Admittedly, a low bar.)
Money swings down-ticket elections in off-cycle years, and folks like the Kochs were very quick off the mark swamping state leg campaigns. The Dems and liberal money were very slow to figure out how effective that strategy was, but they're starting to catch on now.
This is a lot like the "missile gap" in the 90s, where the RNC teamed up with evangy activists and local RTL campaigns to dominate school boards, even in affluent / educated suburbs. The result was about a decade of risible local politics until liberals (well, moderates really) reversed the putsch and restored sanity. Now we see the same thing happening in state legs, but this time it matters a lot more because this is how parties develop depth and debut careerist pols who will someday sit in Congress. The GOP did a lot wrong the last fifteen years, but this is one thing they did very, very well. It's going to get worse before it gets better as GOP prospects move up the chain and continue picking off purple district seats on the strength of resume and name recognition. If the national GOP hadn't been such a CF the damage would actually have been a lot worse.
But Democrats are like the US: they always do the right thing after they've exhausted all other possibilities. We'll see what happens if Hillary wins, because the Clintons' machine runs deep in odd places, some of them helpful (the rust belt) some of them not so much (the black belt). As straight ticket voting becomes even more common, those state legs are going to flatten out again.
Maryland aint the south. At this point we're Pennsylvania with better hygiene. (Admittedly, a low bar.)
Money swings down-ticket elections in off-cycle years, and folks like the Kochs were very quick off the mark swamping state leg campaigns. The Dems and liberal money were very slow to figure out how effective that strategy was, but they're starting to catch on now.
This is a lot like the "missile gap" in the 90s, where the RNC teamed up with evangy activists and local RTL campaigns to dominate school boards, even in affluent / educated suburbs. The result was about a decade of risible local politics until liberals (well, moderates really) reversed the putsch and restored sanity. Now we see the same thing happening in state legs, but this time it matters a lot more because this is how parties develop depth and debut careerist pols who will someday sit in Congress. The GOP did a lot wrong the last fifteen years, but this is one thing they did very, very well. It's going to get worse before it gets better as GOP prospects move up the chain and continue picking off purple district seats on the strength of resume and name recognition. If the national GOP hadn't been such a CF the damage would actually have been a lot worse.
But Democrats are like the US: they always do the right thing after they've exhausted all other possibilities. We'll see what happens if Hillary wins, because the Clintons' machine runs deep in odd places, some of them helpful (the rust belt) some of them not so much (the black belt). As straight ticket voting becomes even more common, those state legs are going to flatten out again.
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