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Campaign 2016 - Primary season! Duck (questions) season!

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before the implosion, Rubio beat Hillary in head-to-head hypotheticals, where Cruz and Trump got pounded. (average of polls on realclearpolitics.com) Assuming Rubio is a cardboard cutout stand-in for "moderate establishment Republican."
edit: I see at the moment Cruz is actually up by a point on Hillary :eek: but Trump still trails her by a good bit.

I agree with the thesis but none of that polling data means anything yet. We won't know where we stand in the general polling until the GOP settles on its guy. Until then, even the head to heads of Republicans vs Hillary are really more a reflection of feelings about Republicans against one another.
 
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You know what screws up polls? Lies. Cruz did a really good job of that.
 
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average of polls on realclearpolitics.com)

Speaking of, currently:

NH: Trump 31, Rubio 15, Kasich 13; Sanders 53 Clinton 41
SC: Trump 36, Cruz 20, Rubio 13; Clinton 62, Sanders 33
 
Re: Campaign 2016 - Primary season! Duck (questions) season!

Financial Times reporting Bloomberg's strongly considering a 3rd party run. Not paying to get past the FT firewall to read the details.

Here's the story at The Hill.

Bloomberg told the Financial Times for a story published Monday that he was "looking at all the options" regarding a bid.

“I find the level of discourse and discussion distressingly banal and an outrage and an insult to the voters,” Bloomberg told the newspaper, saying the public deserved "a lot better."
 
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Financial Times reporting Bloomberg's strongly considering a 3rd party run. Not paying to get past the FT firewall to read the details.

Here's the story at The Hill.

If he gets in and Hillary is the nominee, then Cruz or Trump could take the White House.
He'd likely kill Bernie's chances as well.
It would be Perot in reverse.
 
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can't wait until wednesday.

no more jeb ads (god what a weenie).
 
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and if i hear "we win, they lose" once more i may barf
 
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Since I'm hopelessly young and Google wasn't much of a help, can you explain this term? I assume it's a reference to the Maine senator.

OK, gather round, kids. And read this in Slick Rick's voice.


Once upon a time way long ago
When people were leftist and lived in the flow

When liberals were strong and the future free
Muskie was the front runner nominee

He had a great team of liberal might
He'd been a prime mover for Civil Rights

He was anti-war, He'd been Humphrey's veep
But Dick's dirty tricks caused him to weep

But still his peeps displaced the ol' New Deal thing
And for 20 years held down the liberal wing



It was nearly Muskie rather than Kennedy who challenged Carter from the left in 1980; had he, we might have been spared Reagan. Chuck Todd, Sam Nunn and a few others founded the DLC in the late 80s to try to pull the south back to the Democrats. They needed to de-emphasize the Democrats' leadership on civil rights and social progress and basically throw southern racists a bone before it was too late. They decided that urban blacks and young liberals were undependable constituents and/or would insist on actual systemic changes that the white middle class would reject. The DLC became a counter weight to liberals and by the early 90s they saw Al Gore and Bill Clinton as their vehicles to get back into power. But basically the Clintons were too slick for them -- they used them to win the nomination, then brought in their own cronies, stacked the party leadership with surrogates, and bought off their other high prospect with the vice presidency. (The Clintons have never liked sharing power at any level.) The disgorged southern conservative Democrats either switched parties or died off, leaving the Clintons in complete control of the party.

Obama and Dean were speed bumps, and both had great success reminding people of liberal principles, but the Clintons were always there lurking in the background. This is their last shot, though, since the political winds are against them and their core supporters are ancient and so high on the hog they have no drive left. If liberals can wrest the nomination from Hillary they'll be out of leverage and out of time. The flip side, of course, is that the Clintons have always been vindictive and they never help anyone but themselves, so they'll take all their toys and sit the campaign out, whereas if Bernie loses the nomination he'll campaign hard for Hillary in the Fall. So we're in a blackmail situation.

Hillary's federal court nominees would probably be solid, however. She actually does understand constitutional law and she understands generational change in a way I think Bill didn't. And hey who knows -- maybe the old battle axe has just been holding back, biting her tongue, biding her time, enduring all the humiliations all these years, only to emerge on Inauguration Day as THE GREATEST LIBERAL OF ALL TIME, B1TCHES!!!
 
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If he gets in and Hillary is the nominee, then Cruz or Trump could take the White House.
He'd likely kill Bernie's chances as well.
It would be Perot in reverse.

Perot didn't change the results of those elections.

I don't see how Bloomberg would have much of an effect if Clinton won the nom. But if Bernie won, you've just reduced the anti-Billionaire threshold from 51% to about 40%. I'll take those odds. Throw in Trump as a fourth candidate and Bernie would sail through with about 35% -- 1860 style results.

Then again... how'd that work out?
 
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Very curious to see who will replace him. Perhaps there's still time for the voters to come around to Kasich.

I'd love to see Kasich get some run and not because he's by far the least loathsome of the bunch. 2-term governor, not nearly as divisive as the rest, worked in Congress, has private-sector experience, I don't think he'd rape the poor or middle class...

Come Pavlov's... - I mean Rover - have at it.
 
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I'd love to see Kasich get some run and not because he's by far the least loathsome of the bunch. 2-term governor, not nearly as divisive as the rest, worked in Congress, has private-sector experience, I don't think he'd rape the poor or middle class...

Come Pavlov's... - I mean Rover - have at it.
I used to like him. Then Kepler showed me his voting record. I don't like him as much anymore.
 
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Speaking of, currently:

NH: Trump 31, Rubio 15, Kasich 13; Sanders 53 Clinton 41
SC: Trump 36, Cruz 20, Rubio 13; Clinton 62, Sanders 33

It'll be really interesting to see how Cruz plays outside of the bible belt. If NH is any indication, it could be an extremely interesting Super Tuesday.

Edit: God d*$mit... Minnesota is a deadheat between Rubio, Cruz, and Trump (in that order).
 
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OK, gather round, kids. And read this in Slick Rick's voice.


Once upon a time way long ago
When people were leftist and lived in the flow

When liberals were strong and the future free
Muskie was the front runner nominee

He had a great team of liberal might
He'd been a prime mover for Civil Rights

He was anti-war, He'd been Humphrey's veep
But Dick's dirty tricks caused him to weep

But still his peeps displaced the ol' New Deal thing
And for 20 years held down the liberal wing



It was nearly Muskie rather than Kennedy who challenged Carter from the left in 1980; had he, we might have been spared Reagan. Chuck Todd, Sam Nunn and a few others founded the DLC in the late 80s to try to pull the south back to the Democrats. They needed to de-emphasize the Democrats' leadership on civil rights and social progress and basically throw southern racists a bone before it was too late. They decided that urban blacks and young liberals were undependable constituents and/or would insist on actual systemic changes that the white middle class would reject. The DLC became a counter weight to liberals and by the early 90s they saw Al Gore and Bill Clinton as their vehicles to get back into power. But basically the Clintons were too slick for them -- they used them to win the nomination, then brought in their own cronies, stacked the party leadership with surrogates, and bought off their other high prospect with the vice presidency. (The Clintons have never liked sharing power at any level.) The disgorged southern conservative Democrats either switched parties or died off, leaving the Clintons in complete control of the party.

Obama and Dean were speed bumps, and both had great success reminding people of liberal principles, but the Clintons were always there lurking in the background. This is their last shot, though, since the political winds are against them and their core supporters are ancient and so high on the hog they have no drive left. If liberals can wrest the nomination from Hillary they'll be out of leverage and out of time. The flip side, of course, is that the Clintons have always been vindictive and they never help anyone but themselves, so they'll take all their toys and sit the campaign out, whereas if Bernie loses the nomination he'll campaign hard for Hillary in the Fall. So we're in a blackmail situation.

Hillary's federal court nominees would probably be solid, however. She actually does understand constitutional law and she understands generational change in a way I think Bill didn't. And hey who knows -- maybe the old battle axe has just been holding back, biting her tongue, biding her time, enduring all the humiliations all these years, only to emerge on Inauguration Day as THE GREATEST LIBERAL OF ALL TIME, B1TCHES!!!

This is one of the best posts I have ever read. A+. That opening was straight up Tommy Mischke.



For the uninitiated, one could easily make an argument for Mischke as the greatest broadcaster this state has seen (with respect to Steve Cannon and a number of other old time WCCO folks). Mischke was magic when he was on AM1500 (KSTP) between 8-10 PM.

A great write-up on him: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/09/mischkes-moment/378372/

Collected clips: http://www.mischkemadness.com/mischke2.html
 
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