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Campaign 2016 Part XXV: Fin

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ScoobyDoo said:
No. No. No. No. We're calling everyone who supports a racist a racist. See the difference?
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I see the difference...I also see you losing every election between now and the rapture. Wake up...

You want to convince people what they are doing is wrong you have to talk to them. Paint them with a broad brush and you lose.
 
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Handyman said:
There it is! Kepler gets it!

The Right spent 8 years listening to Middle America...they went to Michigan and WI and listened to what people outside the cities wanted. The Left ignored them and told them what the needed from ivory towers on high. Well when one person is in front of you talking to you and the other is 200 miles away and only seen on TV it is easy to see who the average person will vote for.
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Another misconception.

Bernie listened to all of them. And, he changed the Democratic platform because of it. People who didn't see that either don't know how to read or don't ****ing care.
 
MaizeRage said:
Disagree. The 'go along to get along' attitude of not pointing out casual, systemic racism got us a president that, less than one month before the election, said five black teenagers should have been put to death because "they shouldn't have been [in a public park] anyway" more than a decade after DNA evidence exonerated them.

I don't see any reason to let people off the hook for the "I can't defend, but I will support" nonsense that Paul Ryan and Jason Chaffetz pulled during the campaign. Just because you don't want to, because it's ugly and it doesn't make you feel good about yourself, isn't an excuse to not have to.

Treat civil rights like they're not a big deal and you'll end up with another generation of Just Don't Cares showing up at the polls more concerned about the next emailz! than treating everyone by the same set of rules and laws.
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The election wasn't a referendum on Trump and racism regardless of how much you and others wanted to turn it into one. There were tons of different factors and everyone has their own reasons for voting how they did.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Another misconception.

Bernie listened to all of them. And, he changed the Democratic platform because of it. People who didn't see that either don't know how to read or don't ****ing care.
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or these people realized platforms became irrelevant over half a decade ago. (much like newspaper editorial endorsements :) )
 
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Handyman said:
If you spend your time calling everyone who supports the GOP a racist you will continue to lose.

Go after the policies, go after the people proposing them...dont fall into the trap of saying everyone on that side is evil or you are no better than the Anti-Obama crowd.
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This is good advice.
 
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Drew S. said:
The election wasn't a referendum on Trump and racism regardless of how much you and others wanted to turn it into one. There were tons of different factors and everyone has their own reasons for voting how they did.
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no no. those 27% of latinos who voted for him are racists who hate latinos. the 1/2 of women are sexists.

get with the program already, you racist you!!!! :D
 
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Drew S. said:
The election wasn't a referendum on Trump and racism regardless of how much you and others wanted to turn it into one. There were tons of different factors and everyone has their own reasons for voting how they did.
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I get the impression a lot of people voted to give DC the middle finger, and Hillary was about as DC as you could get unless you stuck a skirt on the Lincoln Memorial and ran it.
 
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mookie1995 said:
no no. those 27% of latinos who voted for him are racists who hate latinos.
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It may be closer to 18%. And if that's true, you start to fall into the Latinos who hate Mexicans as much as Trump does.

It's like saying 100% of ISIS members believe in the Abrahamic God, so we should stop the immigration of Christians, Muslims, and Jews until we figure out what's going on.
 
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Handyman said:
Go after the policies, go after the people proposing them...dont fall into the trap of saying everyone on that side is evil or you are no better than the Anti-Obama crowd.
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I'm not going to spend the same time attacking and debunking Vermin Supreme's zombie apocalypse theories because the people proposing the policy don't matter, it's the people that support them, which gives those policies strength.

People whine about liberals being 'intolerant'. No. If Trump or any of his supporters, or any of the Just Don't Cares want to go be racist jagoffs on their own private time, with no real authority or consequence, feel free. But your right to do that ends when it starts infringing on the basic rights of others, and that includes giving strength to a platform which proudly seemed to do just that.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
No. No. No. No. We're calling everyone who supports a racist a racist.
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In WWII we had the choice of supporting Hitler's side or Stalin's side, ergo, the US has been Stalinist since 1941.

In case you missed it, sometimes groups make choices of the lesser of two evils without agreeing with everything that evil purports. <-- I'm hoping that describes the vast majority of Trump voters (they picked a person with one set of failings over another with a different set of failings).
 
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Kepler said:
I get the impression a lot of people voted to give DC the middle finger, and Hillary was about as DC as you could get unless you stuck a skirt on the Lincoln Memorial and ran it.
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So ... for a running mate, the Washington Monument with a set of ... uh, ... nevermind.

And I wanted to give that same FU message, but not with that messenger.
 
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Drew S. said:
The election wasn't a referendum on Trump and racism regardless of how much you and others wanted to turn it into one. There were tons of different factors and everyone has their own reasons for voting how they did.
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Except it kind of was because it's going to be dealt with whether you want to stick your head in the sand about it or not. If that makes you that uncomfortable, maybe it's time to re-evaluate the whole Guns>People philosophy you laid out earlier in the thread.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
Handy almost sounds rational and pragmatic today. It's impressive.
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Yep, but I wouldn't take it as a sign the rest of the population will follow his lead. If this forum and the stuff floating around social media are any indication, twenty years from now we may look back on 2016 as a period of calm civility in elections.
 
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Drew S. said:
The election wasn't a referendum on Trump and racism regardless of how much you and others wanted to turn it into one. There were tons of different factors and everyone has their own reasons for voting how they did.
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i other words "Yes, I voted for a racist, xenophobic, sexist, incompetent *******. But I'm not racist! Also GUNZ!!!!"
 
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