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Campaign 2016 Part XVII: If debates are great theater, I think this one closes early

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So what is there to ask about in Wobegon . . . rosemaling?

Still better than where you call home (cheese and terrible beer) or where you hail from. (what the one tree)

;) :D
 
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I don't know, Wisko, I haven't seen the ads and I don't know the target constituency. An ad can be negative without being fear mongering. Ridiculing Trump's positions on Mexico and Muslims is negative but does not have to appeal to fear.

Trump's proposal for real and figurative walls to keep out rapists, thieves and terrorists works with his base because that base responds to fear. When he was running, Obama was a non-christian foreigner who sympathizes with muslims. His health care reform was scary because it meant death squads would come to take your grandmother. Dukakis set black boogeymen loose on an innocent public.

Not all conservatives are motivated by such things, obviously--you certainly are not. But enough of the base is, and that is what drives the strategy.

Fair enough, but I'd say your walking a pretty fine line on the "it doesn't have to appeal to fear" part. Seems to me "The Muslims are coming!" isn't much different in it's basic appeal than "The Nazi's are Coming!" -- Whichever narrative a person may tend toward buying into, (if either) they both likely reinforce some type of fear on some level.

No doubt I'm generally conservative in comparison to our Northeast Liberal Elitist friends here, but then they are conservative in comparison to many of my dear UW Madison friends from college, whom it's pretty much impossible to get to the left of anywhere, even Berkeley. I can't really be conservative though, as my very cosmopolitan neighborhood is 25% black, 30% Latino, 30% white (American) and 10% white (European) and 5% other. I couldn't afford the ammo I'd need to be a racist. (It is equally varied economically, incidentally.)

I suppose my politics are a bit all over the place, but there's no point in my agreeing with any liberal policies I happen to like on this board or disagreeing with much from the right. There's plenty of that. So my contrarian nature is no doubt going to move me to comment on the side of R's here if I see an argument to be made. Plus, I'm in a swing state and I think staying home or 3rd party is a cop out under the circumstances for me and I find the idea that Dems have all but forced me to consider a vote for Mrs. Clinton deplorable. I wouldn't mind getting a pound of flesh in exchange if I had more time to apply myself to the task. :)
 
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Googling this brings up nothing. Do tell.

Adams has Business Engineer Disease: because you can fix tech problems you start thinking your opinion automatically matters on other topics. Spoiler: it doesn't.

But Card is a minor tragedy. Xenocide and to a lesser extent Ender's Game are written with such a subtle understanding of psychology and such basic goodness and humanity, whereas his bludgeoning, idiotic politics are unworthy of an AEI summer intern.

Edit: Speaker for the Dead is also great.

It's all third hand, but my former boss was a big shot in St. Paul, we were on a business trip where Keillor was hosting his show, I wanted to get tickets (being a fan), and he told me the story about how "people with great gifts often have great faults" and how it was known among the country club set in St. Paul that Keillor was really terrible to women and his less savory impulses had allowed more than one ex-wife to walk away with a chunk of his bankroll and a signed agreement of some kind.
Of course it's all hearsay but it was convincing.
 
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Your house is in North Dakota, and your backyard in in Minnesota?
That photo can't be from North Dakota. I don't see a surplus of sandbags.

All North Dakota. (Sandbags are safely stored away.)
 
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If they were on the fence, does it cause them to question how they're thought about by a particular candidate.

I know "concern trolling" is the new cool-kid "kinda hip, kinda now, kinda cool, kinda wow*" phrase, but this is the internet, where people can share thoughts. Calling it that is dismissive of the real possibility that Mrs. Clinton did harm herself with a portion of the undecideds.



*Sincere apologies to Dan Cole @ KFAN.

I dunno. If you read her entire statement in context, you'd see that she pretty much has Trump supporters nailed.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a48506/basket-of-deplorables/

You know, just to be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. They're racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people – now have 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive, hateful, mean-spirited rhetoric. Now some of these folks, they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America. But the other basket–and I know this because I see friends from all over America here–I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas–as well as, you know, New York and California–but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well.
 
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Still better than where you call home (cheese and terrible beer) or where you hail from. (what the one tree)

;) :D

How Happy got that one tree thing to gain purchase is beyond me. There are dozens. Dozens of really nice trees.
 
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I dunno. If you read her entire statement in context, you'd see that she pretty much has Trump supporters nailed.

It's her "47%" moment and that's the sound bite that'll play. Why? The rest is too long for an eight second sound bite.
 
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How Happy got that one tree thing to gain purchase is beyond me. There are dozens. Dozens of really nice trees.

Even after all that time in Drunken Cheeseland, you're still confusing electrical poles with trees. That's really sad, actually.
 
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