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Campaign 2016 Part XVII: If debates are great theater, I think this one closes early

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Wisko McBadgerton said:
I'd just point out that I live in Florida and the Clinton campaign and it's surrogates have been running ads nonstop here for 4 months now. Not one, not a single one is remotely concerned with any policy or how Hillary will be good for us. It is 100% a negative on Trump campaign. What, if anything, would you say that suggests?
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I don't know, Wisko, I haven't seen the ads and I don't know the target constituency. An ad can be negative without being fear mongering. Ridiculing Trump's positions on Mexico and Muslims is negative but does not have to appeal to fear.

Trump's proposal for real and figurative walls to keep out rapists, thieves and terrorists works with his base because that base responds to fear. When he was running, Obama was a non-christian foreigner who sympathizes with muslims. His health care reform was scary because it meant death squads would come to take your grandmother. Dukakis set black boogeymen loose on an innocent public.

Not all conservatives are motivated by such things, obviously--you certainly are not. But enough of the base is, and that is what drives the strategy.
 
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In MI it's probably the same 75/25 split, maybe 80/20.

The best part is the negative ads aren't the usual narrator speaking in a dark tone ads, it's literally just Trump talking.

Guess we'll see how long it takes the Trump campaign to come out with a "deplorable" ad.
 
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Kepler said:
It is as if their campaign team literally cut one ad. It's also utterly generic -- no mention of any state, region or even an industry, and no cross-over to any local or state pol. The production value is also generic. The impression is he really cheaped out.
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Well, this is the guy who gave a speech in Ashburn telling them how awful their economy was and asking if anyone was affected by factory closures in SW VA or Pennsylvania. (You'd think he would know Ashburn well. His golf course is next door in Sterling, and remember that's the one with the memorial for the thousands dead in a great Civil War battle.)
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
Sorry. I didn't realize you were in Iowa, I'll try to speak more slowly so you can understand.


I AM IN FLORIDA.


ADS HERE (IN FLORIDA!) ARE 100% NEGATIVE ON TRUMP.


PERIOD.
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Same in Maine, all negative against Trump, nothing policy related
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
In MI it's probably the same 75/25 split, maybe 80/20.

The best part is the negative ads aren't the usual narrator speaking in a dark tone ads, it's literally just Trump talking.

Guess we'll see how long it takes the Trump campaign to come out with a "deplorable" ad.
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In MI also and have only seen the same Trump ad ("She's bad and I'm good") twice on locals. The HRC ads I've seen have been on national channels rather than local and have all been the "He's a loose cannon" ad. My satellite locals are out of GR which is heavy R so I doubt either HRC or tDonald are wasting $$$ there. IOW, your market defines what type of ads you see.

Kepler said:
I don't think Obama's statement (also to a fund raiser, and thus perceived as more "sincere") has ever gone away. It's actually very similar, because (a) it's un-PC and (b) it's correct.
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Serious question: Do you feel the same about Romney's 47% statement (Again, one can argue the percentages)?
 
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unofan said:
That you have selective memory? We've been getting ads for far longer than that in Iowa, and probably 1/4th of them are policy related.
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You admit to being Iowegian? Never go full Iowegian. :D
 
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French Rage said:
Well, this is the guy who gave a speech in Ashburn telling them how awful their economy was and asking if anyone was affected by factory closures in SW VA or Pennsylvania. (You'd think he would know Ashburn well. His golf course is next door in Sterling, and remember that's the one with the memorial for the thousands dead in a great Civil War battle.)
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It was a great, great battle. It was the best!
 
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joecct said:
Maryland (at least my part. your part is different) is so far in the tank for Hillary, she does not need to worry about losing Maryland.
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I know, but we get ads targeted for PA and VA.
 
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aparch said:
You do realize that with no moderators, it would look like this, right?

:28 Donald takes a deep breath, Clinton quickly starts to refute a statement from 32 minutes prior, Donald exhales and continues his rambling.
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Math fail. (Sorry. The engineer in me made me point it out.)
 
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aparch said:
You do realize that with no moderators, it would look like this, right?

7PM Intro video package and introduction of candidates
:01 Clinton welcome and opening statement
:02 Trump welcome and opening statement
:04 Trump continues his opening statement
:07 Clinton tries to interject and get Trump to actually debate.
:14 Clinton repeatedly looks and taps at her wrist watch. Media correctly tweets that the model FitBit she's wearing doesn't actually tell time. Drudge Report has four pages on "Why our Presidential candidate needs 24/7 health tracking."
:18 Clinton, empties glass of water, voice hoarse from nine minutes of "Mr. Tru-," "Mr. Tr-," "Dona-," "Do-,"
:21 Clinton, still standing, giving a McKayka Maroney "Not Impressed" face.
:26 Clinton, now sitting on stage floor twirling microphone. Mouths "Is he done yet?" to the camera. Right Wing Twitter thinks it's a sure sign of the illuminati.
:28 Donald takes a deep breath, Clinton quickly starts to refute a statement from 25 minutes prior, Donald exhales and continues his rambling.
:31 Clinton, visibly bored, starts wandering around the stage aimlessly.
:37 Something, something, "Yuuuuuuuuuugggggeee!"
:44 Clinton places a cardboard cutout of Obama behind her podium. Tapes "Miss me yet?" sign to it.
:48 Clinton walks off stage.
:56 Secret Service staff and production crew visible miming how Clinton has left the building behind a still talking Trump.
:62 Visibly confused crowd shots.
:73 Trump is somehow *still* talking
:85 Stagehands wheel metal folding chairs
:87 Hillary re-appears behind a rambling Trump. Saunters over toward folding chairs.
:88 John Cena Theme loudly plays over PA speakers.
:88 Trump turns around and has a horrified look on his face when he makes eye contact with Hillary.
:89 Fade to black, cue Journey "Don't Stop Believin'," roll credits
:90 cut to local stations
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You say this like it is a bad thing ;)
 
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