Campaign 2016 Part XVII: If debates are great theater, I think this one closes early

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVII: If debates are great theater, I think this one closes e

Who is this "we" you speak of?

I hear it all the time, on every forum, every channel.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVII: If debates are great theater, I think this one closes e

Dr. Mrs. has lost at least that many devices, but it doesn't help Hillary's case any. MS (short term memory loss) is a b-tch.

So you say a medical condition can affect your ability to not lose devices ...

 

[joecct]

Hell yeah she should...within 20 minutes she will have him admitting to loving Putin and also wanting to nuke all the commies!

Unless she collapses into a quivering, coughing mass of goo.

Despicable Me wants the stress level ratcheted up to DEFCON 1 levels to see who meltdowns first.

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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I know it's nothing new, but I'm still amazed that those who oppose Clinton most vehemently (and Obama and Bill Clinton) always focus on alleged scandals, while supporters focus on policy and platform. This fits with, among other things, that study I believe Kep cited a while back which documented the correlation between amygdala activity (fear response) and conservative/liberal tendencies. The comments on this board seem to support the conclusion that conservatives are, more than liberals, motivated by fear response--to threat, to scandal, to change, and that is why stories like BENGHAZI!!!, EMAILS!!! and SHE'S GONNA DIE!!! receive all the play instead of a policy discussion. There are some good conservative posters here who would probably prefer a policy discussion, but that is not gonna get the job done for Trump.

I'd just point out that I live in Florida and the Clinton campaign and it's surrogates have been running ads nonstop here for 4 months now. Not one, not a single one is remotely concerned with any policy or how Hillary will be good for us. It is 100% a negative on Trump campaign. What, if anything, would you say that suggests?

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Hmm.



I think he's betting she doesn't call his bluff.

She should.

Seriously? So he can bluster and filibuster for 90 minutes? That's what it would turn into. Talk about must not see TV.

 

[Rover]

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I hear it all the time, on every forum, every channel.

Which is why you need to stop listening to Rush and co!

PS - Could you kindly back up your claim that Trump is viewed more favorably than Hillary?

 

[Kepler]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVII: If debates are great theater, I think this one closes e

I know it's nothing new, but I'm still amazed that those who oppose Clinton most vehemently (and Obama and Bill Clinton) always focus on alleged scandals, while supporters focus on policy and platform. This fits with, among other things, that study I believe Kep cited a while back which documented the correlation between amygdala activity (fear response) and conservative/liberal tendencies. The comments on this board seem to support the conclusion that conservatives are, more than liberals, motivated by fear response--to threat, to scandal, to change, and that is why stories like BENGHAZI!!!, EMAILS!!! and SHE'S GONNA DIE!!! receive all the play instead of a policy discussion. There are some good conservative posters here who would probably prefer a policy discussion, but that is not gonna get the job done for Trump.

At the moment they have no policy so they can't turn the discussion that direction.

I'm only slightly joking. I'm sure there are crank conservative theories out there being floated by think tanks, but the moment they talk about policy they'll get pinned to the ground on why and how their Congress has done nothing, and how all the GOP has stood for in terms of substance for 7 years now is sticking it to Bams.

What positive policy have they advocated? School vouchers and privatizing social security? Both losers. Everything else is a negative -- heck, six years later they STILL don't have a replacement plan for Obamacare.

So all they have left is the shock jock shtick. And because that plays (and pays) so well with their base they keep harping on it to move product: Fox gigs, book sales, speaking tours, alt-right media deals). As long as they can stop tax reform they lose nothing by not governing and they get insanely rich standing on the sidelines just yelping no! at whatever the Dems suggest. It's a license to print money provided they don't screw up and win and become responsible.

 

[Kepler]

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So you say a medical condition can affect your ability to not lose devices ...

Like I said. It doesn't help Hillary any.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVII: If debates are great theater, I think this one closes e

Unless she collapses into a quivering, coughing mass of goo.

Despicable Me wants the stress level ratcheted up to DEFCON 1 levels to see who meltdowns first.

Despicable Me will try to find out if she really does have an allergen that causes three minute coughing fits. If so, it's his new cologne. And he'll try to get the stage lights turned way, WAY up so she overheats.

 

[Kepler]

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Seriously? So he can bluster and filibuster for 90 minutes? That's what it would turn into. Talk about must not see TV.

I think that is exactly what would happen, which is why I want it.

I also would like to see who he blames afterwards. Would be pull a Bobby Fisher and claim they were tweaking the AC?

 

[unofan]

I'd just point out that I live in Florida and the Clinton campaign and it's surrogates have been running ads nonstop here for 4 months now. Not one, not a single one is remotely concerned with any policy or how Hillary will be good for us. It is 100% a negative on Trump campaign. What, if anything, would you say that suggests?

That you have selective memory? We've been getting ads for far longer than that in Iowa, and probably 1/4th of them are policy related.

 

[bronconick]

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Hmm.



I think he's betting she doesn't call his bluff.

She should.

But looking forward to the future, I like it, at least as one of the debates. Let them at each other with no moderator. Let them control the pace and the questions considered. Given that every word out of their mouths is programmed, at least we can judge by their demeanor something real about them.

Like I said, I like it.

To steal from a poster on that link

Trump continued, "No moderators needed. Hillary can provide calm, logical, reasoned answers, and I can just throw feces at her. What's not to like? It would be a ratings bonanza. And the Press would cover both sides equally, so I would win."

 

[Kepler]

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That you have selective memory? We've been getting ads for far longer than that in Iowa, and probably 1/4th of them are policy related.

Central MD has been weird. Trump has carpet bombed us (VA 1 mile south, PA 30 miles north) all through primetime, but with the same ad played several times per show. It is as if their campaign team literally cut one ad. It's also utterly generic -- no mention of any state, region or even an industry, and no cross-over to any local or state pol. The production value is also generic. The impression is he really cheaped out. The ad script is basically: "America under Clinton: living hell. America under Trump: butterflies and lollipops. Vote Trump. Make America white except this one well-scrubbed black family again."

But like I said, zero Hillary presence, which is a blessing because I thought given our location it was going to be a nightmare. In '12 we got hit really hard from both sides.

 

[joecct]

Central MD has been weird. Trump has carpet bombed us (VA 1 mile south, PA 30 miles north) all through primetime, but with the same ad played several times per show. It is as if their campaign team literally cut one ad. It's also utterly generic -- no mention of any state, region or even an industry, and no cross-over to any local or state pol. The production value is also generic. The impression is he really cheaped out.

But like I said, zero Hillary presence, which is a blessing because I thought given our location it was going to be a nightmare. In '12 we got hit really hard from both sides.

Maryland (at least my part. your part is different) is so far in the tank for Hillary, she does not need to worry about losing Maryland.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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That you have selective memory? We've been getting ads for far longer than that in Iowa, and probably 1/4th of them are policy related.

The only local ads I've been hearing are on KFYR-AM out of Bismarck and they are Johnson/Weld ads. And they do talk some policy, but spend a fair amount of time bemoaning the status quo parties.

Where I found that radio spot.

I see national ads on national channels on cable. (Yes, I have cable, because Midcontinent Cable produces and broadcasts all UND mens hockey games so I can DVR the game and watch it after attending in person. Priorities people. )

 

[joecct]

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Could this sum up Clinton foreign policy??

http://pic.twitter.com/Jz7tR3n54t

 

[Rover]

Re: Campaign 2016 Part XVII: If debates are great theater, I think this one closes e

burd, policy will come into play more the closer we get to the election. Generally the debates force candidates to defend proposals. I agree completely that Trump most likely won't stick to that script, but the beauty is Hillary can hold his feat to the fire even if the moderators won't. Its rare for a Candy Crowley type to show up and call out a lie that a candidate is making to his face. However, she can even if its not a Lincoln-Douglas style debate.

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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That you have selective memory? We've been getting ads for far longer than that in Iowa, and probably 1/4th of them are policy related.

Sorry. I didn't realize you were in Iowa, I'll try to speak more slowly so you can understand.


I AM IN FLORIDA.


ADS HERE (IN FLORIDA!) ARE 100% NEGATIVE ON TRUMP.


PERIOD.

 

[aparch]

...Let them at each other with no moderator. Let them control the pace and the questions considered. ...

You do realize that with no moderators, it would look like this, right?

7PM Intro video package and introduction of candidates
:01 Clinton welcome and opening statement
:02 Trump welcome and opening statement
:04 Trump continues his opening statement
:07 Clinton tries to interject and get Trump to actually debate.
:14 Clinton repeatedly looks and taps at her wrist watch. Media correctly tweets that the model FitBit she's wearing doesn't actually tell time. Drudge Report has four pages on "Why our Presidential candidate needs 24/7 health tracking."
:18 Clinton, empties glass of water, voice hoarse from nine minutes of "Mr. Tru-," "Mr. Tr-," "Dona-," "Do-,"
:21 Clinton, still standing, giving a McKayka Maroney "Not Impressed" face.
:26 Clinton, now sitting on stage floor twirling microphone. Mouths "Is he done yet?" to the camera. Right Wing Twitter thinks it's a sure sign of the illuminati.
:28 Donald takes a deep breath, Clinton quickly starts to refute a statement from 25 minutes prior, Donald exhales and continues his rambling.
:31 Clinton, visibly bored, starts wandering around the stage aimlessly.
:37 Something, something, "Yuuuuuuuuuugggggeee!"
:44 Clinton places a cardboard cutout of Obama behind her podium. Tapes "Miss me yet?" sign to it.
:48 Clinton walks off stage.
:56 Secret Service staff and production crew visible miming how Clinton has left the building behind a still talking Trump.
:62 Visibly confused crowd shots.
:73 Trump is somehow *still* talking
:85 Stagehands wheel metal folding chairs
:87 Hillary re-appears behind a rambling Trump. Saunters over toward folding chairs.
:88 John Cena Theme loudly plays over PA speakers.
:88 Trump turns around and has a horrified look on his face when he makes eye contact with Hillary.
:89 Fade to black, cue Journey "Don't Stop Believin'," roll credits
:90 cut to local stations

 

[unofan]

Sorry. I didn't realize you were in Iowa, I'll try to speak more slowly so you can understand.


I AM IN FLORIDA.


ADS HERE (IN FLORIDA!) ARE 100% NEGATIVE ON TRUMP.


PERIOD.

You live in Florida. By definition, you're old and senile. I'm sticking with my belief in your selective memory.