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Campaign 2016 Part XIV: Just Dropped in (To See What Condition My Convention Was In)

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Handyman said:
Anyone who wants to take bets I am ready willing and able. It wont be a compelling victory nor will I be very happy about it but Hillary will win.

And Sic you dont want to agree with Scooby, this guy thought Scott Walker was a lock for the nomination not to mention about 3 other buffoons who went nowhere :D
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Lies. I never said he was a lock. I never said he would win. I did say that he scared me. Still does.
 
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BoomGoestheDynamite said:
Out of curiosity what does make Indian the South of the North? It's region (old Big Ten country) is mostly lean Blue with one swing state in Ohio? Why does Indiana pull so far to the right?
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I thought I'd read an article on this and went back to double check.

Most of the big cities in the other Midwestern states came from the east coast. The upper Midwest was inhabited some from there, but a lot from Europeans coming over looking for land. Per wiki, Indiana boomed later and was actually largely inhabited from the 'rural and small town' South. Yes, there are many more rural areas...but some of this cultural heritage is a carry over from its founding.
 
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5mn_Major said:
I thought I'd read an article on this and went back to double check.

Most of the big cities in the other Midwestern states came from the east coast. The upper Midwest was inhabited some from there, but a lot from Europeans coming over looking for land. Per wiki, Indiana boomed later and was actually largely inhabited from the 'rural and small town' South. Yes, there are many more rural areas...but some of this cultural heritage is a carry over from its founding.
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That's very interesting. Why was that? Those cities were food processing while the other cities were manufacturing?
 
Kepler said:
That's very interesting. Why was that? Those cities were food processing while the other cities were manufacturing?
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I would think the established trade routes with such stops as Fort Pontchartrain (Detroit), Fort Dearborn (Chicago), Fort Snelling(Minneapolis), and the Connecticut Western Reserve village of Cleaveland (Cleveland) helped build up the Midwest, where Indiana only had Fort Miamis (Fort Wayne) which was a stop over between Fort Dearborn and Fort Pontchartrain.

It didn't have anything valuable to add to the growing nation other than farm land, of which Wisconsin was doing a better job. Michigan and Minnesota offered minerals (ore) for manufacturing. Detroit, Cleveland and Chicago offered manufacturing and distribution.

Indiana offered... farming. And shipping canals which were made obsolete with rail travel. And bankruptcy causing the sale of all of Indiana's public works. And then another try at farming.


*Edit* Well I'll be ****ed, some of that useless knowledge of the history of Michigan's formation from the Indiana Territory from elementary school actually came in handy. :eek: Now if only my short term memory worked that well.
 
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aparch said:
I would think the established trade routes with such stops as Fort Pontchartrain (Detroit), Fort Dearborn (Chicago), Fort Snelling(Minneapolis), and the Connecticut Western Reserve village of Cleaveland (Cleveland) helped build up the Midwest, where Indiana only had Fort Miamis (Fort Wayne) which was a stop over between Fort Dearborn and Fort Pontchartrain.

It didn't have anything valuable to add to the growing nation other than farm land, of which Wisconsin was doing a better job. Michigan and Minnesota offered minerals (ore) for manufacturing. Detroit, Cleveland and Chicago offered manufacturing and distribution.

Indiana offered... farming. And shipping canals which were made obsolete with rail travel. And bankruptcy causing the sale of all of Indiana's public works. And then another try at farming.


*Edit* Well I'll be ****ed, some of that useless knowledge of the history of Michigan's formation from the Indiana Territory from elementary school actually came in handy. :eek: Now if only my short term memory worked that well.
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You could be totally making it all up but I'm impressed. :-)
 
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FWIW, three more polls out today show Hilary ahead in Iowa and Penn, and tied in Ohio. And these were all after the FBI email hit.

In other words, swing states gonna swing.
 
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Kepler said:
That's very interesting. Why was that? Those cities were food processing while the other cities were manufacturing?
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Found it. Indiana is weird on fivethirtyeight. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/indiana-is-weird/

In 1850, census canvassers started asking Americans where they’d been born, and by looking at state residents who were born in the U.S. (but not in their current state), we can see just how much Indiana stood apart from its neighbors in the Old Northwest. Let’s start with people born in New England, the “Yankees” widely considered to be better educated and more ambitious than their peers. In 1850, only 3 percent of Indiana’s U.S.-born residents hailed from New England. (The Old Northwest average was 10 percent.) Only 20 percent of Indiana’s U.S.-born residents hailed from Mid-Atlantic states such as Pennsylvania and New York. (The Old Northwest average was 42 percent.) But a whopping 44 percent of Indiana’s U.S.-born residents hailed from the South — easily the highest percentage in the Old Northwest, where the average was 28 percent. Just as important as their numerical advantage, the Southerners got to Indiana first and thus dominated its early politics.

And the thing is, it never really changed. Consider the wave of immigration that defined America starting in the 1880s. Indiana had always been the least diverse state in the Old Northwest. And yet, even after millions of Europeans arrived by steamship, were processed at Ellis Island, and scattered across the country, Indiana still featured a foreign-born population of just 3 percent. (The Old Northwest average was approaching 20 percent.) Or consider the rise of the modern city. In 1920, Chicago’s population was 2.7 million; Cleveland’s was 800,000. Indianapolis’s, by contrast, was only 314,194. But Indianapolis wasn’t just smaller — it was more provincial, less vibrant, a city with a population that was only 3 percent African-American and 70 percent native-born and white.
 
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Indianapolis has a history of pretty terrible racism, the Ku Klux Klan, segregation, lynching etc. right?
 
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Jimjamesak said:
Indianapolis has a history of pretty terrible racism, the Ku Klux Klan, segregation, lynching etc. right?
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They should have held the RNC there.
 
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aparch said:
I would think the established trade routes with such stops as Fort Pontchartrain (Detroit), Fort Dearborn (Chicago), Fort Snelling(Minneapolis), and the Connecticut Western Reserve village of Cleaveland (Cleveland) helped build up the Midwest, where Indiana only had Fort Miamis (Fort Wayne) which was a stop over between Fort Dearborn and Fort Pontchartrain.

It didn't have anything valuable to add to the growing nation other than farm land, of which Wisconsin was doing a better job. Michigan and Minnesota offered minerals (ore) for manufacturing. Detroit, Cleveland and Chicago offered manufacturing and distribution.
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The other economic boosts for MN were lumber to the north and the mills of MPLS/STP right on the Mississippi.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
Indianapolis has a history of pretty terrible racism, the Ku Klux Klan, segregation, lynching etc. right?
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The KKK once ran Indiana. In the 1920s the klan elected the governor, many state office holders and virtually the entire delegation to the US congress. Notre Dame students famously set upon hundreds of klansmen in arriving in South Bend in 1924 for an anti-Catholic rally, designed to intimidate Catholics for what they saw as the their growing powers in America as the University of Notre Dame was gaining fame both as an academic institution and for their success on the football field. The students beat the disembarking klansmen senselessly until local police arrived at the train station.

Indiana is a weird place. I say that having been born there and lived there a good portion of my life. I worked for years with a guy who was born, raised, worked and lived in one of the northern most towns in the state. Any further north and you're in Michigan and further north from there and you're in Canada last time I checked. But the guy had a southern drawl as thick as cold gravy on a stale biscuit.

Its also the only state I have ever seen real live klansmen in sheets and hoods gathered in a group. Middle of the night, I was 22 or so, coming home from a girlfriend's house and a dozen or so of these *******es were standing in a yard. The thought of the sight of that still sends a chill down my spine. It's highly un-Christian of me but I hope they're all dead now.
 
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tD will announce his VP choice tomorrow at 11 am.

Newt?
Pence?
Ernst?
Osama???? :)
Palin (just kidding!)
 
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Subscribed because I'm going to be named the VP by one of the major tickets. You guess which.
 
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joecct said:
tD will announce his VP choice tomorrow at 11 am.

Newt?
Pence?
Ernst?
Osama???? :)
Palin (just kidding!)
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He's a master at changing his mind. Its Friday.
 
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Are they serious??? Newt?!? :confused:
 
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